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		<title>Its Official:  Climate is the First Post-Modern Physical Science</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can find a lot of different definitions of post-modernism.  Here is one from Wikipedia, which seems appropriate because in some sense at its very core Wikipedia adopts a post-modernist approach to truth.  Post-modernism rejects objective truth, or at least man&#8217;s ability ever to identify such truth.   As applied to science, post-modernists would say [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can find a lot of different definitions of post-modernism.  Here is one from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism">Wikipedia</a>, which seems appropriate because in some sense at its very core Wikipedia adopts a post-modernist approach to truth.  Post-modernism rejects objective truth, or at least man&#8217;s ability ever to identify such truth.   As applied to science, post-modernists would say that what we call scientific &#8220;truth&#8221; in in fact the results of social, cultural, and political forces within and acting on the scientific community.</p>
<p>Some elements of post-modernism actually provide a useful critique of science.  Its focus on biases and resulting observational blindness to certain results that falsify ones pre-conceived notions are useful caveats in a scientific process.  But the belief that a rational scientific process is not just difficult but <em>impossible </em>leads to all kinds of crazy conclusions.  Many in hard core postmodern circles would argue that since objective truth is impossible anyway, scientific findings should be <a href="http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/07/climate-the-f-1.html">guided by what is most socially usefu</a>l. As Steven Schneider of Stanford says vis a vis climate:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>And speaking of Steven Schneider, he is coauthor of a recent study appearing in the <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107.full.pdf+html">Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences</a> that has really made it plain to me that climate is becoming the first post-modern physical science.  Just note the incredible approach to his study, and how much it mirrors the precepts of post-modernism:  To decide who is right and wrong in climate science between skeptics and alarmists, the study authors have &#8230; wait for it .. counted them and measured their relative influence in academic circles.  Since the authors count more alarmists than skeptics, and judge that the alarmists are more influential in academic circles, then they must be right!  After all, truth is determined by those with the most political and cultural influence, not by silly stuff like testing hypotheses against observational data.</p>
<p><strong>Postscript: </strong>I think a lot of the skeptic backlash against this study is overwrought, examples <a href="http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-black-list.html">here </a>and <a href="http://joannenova.com.au/2010/06/pnas-witchdoctors-of-science/">here</a>.  To paraphrase another climate publication, this study is &#8220;not evil, just silly.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Absurd Logic, But Al Gore Won An Oscar For It</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 20:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It just is amazing to me that anyone can, with a straight face, advance this logic chain:
Again, here’s the situation: Mississippi homeowners sued 34 energy  companies and utilities operating in the Gulf Coast for damage sustained  to their property during Hurricane Katrina. The homeowners alleged that  the defendants had emitted greenhouse gases, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just is amazing to me that anyone can, with a straight face, advance <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Cato-at-liberty/~3/iAghBQTZcm8/">this logic chain</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Again, here’s the situation: Mississippi homeowners sued 34 energy  companies and utilities operating in the Gulf Coast for damage sustained  to their property during Hurricane Katrina. The homeowners alleged that  the defendants had emitted greenhouse gases, which increased the  concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which contributed  to global warming, which accelerated the melting of glaciers, which  raised the global sea level, which increased the frequency and severity  of hurricanes, which caused the destructive force of Hurricane Katrina.</p></blockquote>
<p>The attached article discusses some weird procedural hurdles, but my hope is that the court system will be better able to parse the absurdity of this logic than the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.  If every scientist in the world was dedicated to the task for 50 years, there would still be no way to assess the impact of incremental CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere on the strength of Katrina, and in turn the effect of this altered strength on property damages.</p>
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		<title>Irony</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 17:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The New Scientist (&#8220;new&#8221; in most magazine titles meaning &#8220;socialist&#8221;) has yet another whole issue aimed at slamming climate skeptics.  You might start to think they felt threatened or something.
I found the cover hugely ironic:

The implication I guess is that climate skeptics are somehow trying to silence real scientists.  This is enormously ironic.  With a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New Scientist (&#8220;new&#8221; in most magazine titles meaning &#8220;socialist&#8221;) has yet another whole issue aimed at slamming climate skeptics.  You might start to think they felt threatened or something.</p>
<p>I found the cover hugely ironic:</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-1928" title="currentcover" src="http://www.climate-movie.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/currentcover.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="197" /></p>
<p>The implication I guess is that climate skeptics are somehow trying to silence real scientists.  This is enormously ironic.  With a couple of exceptions, including the <a href="http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/05/bad-idea.html">unfortunate legal crusade by the Virginia AG against Michael Mann</a>, it is climate alarmists rather than skeptics who have generally taken the position that the other side of the debate needs to be silenced.</p>
<p>By the way, <a href="http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/01/catastrophe-denied-the-science-of-the-skeptics-position.html">as I said in the intro to my last video</a>, I have chosen to embrace the title of denier &#8211; with one proviso.  Being a denier implies that one is denying some kind of proposition, so I am sure thoughtful people would agree that it is important to be clear on the proposition that is being denied.  For example, I always found the term &#8220;climate denier&#8221; to be hilarious.  You mean there are folks who deny there is a climate?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t deny that climate changes &#8211; it changes all the time.  I don&#8217;t deny there is global warming &#8211; global temperatures are higher today than they were in 1900, just as they were higher in 1200 AD than they were in 900.  I don&#8217;t even deny that man is contributing somewhat to the warming, not just from CO2 but from effects like changes in land use.  What I deny is the catastrophe &#8212; that man&#8217;s actions are leading to catastrophic changes in the climate.  I believe many scientists have grossly over-estimated the sensitivity of temperatures to CO2 by grossly overestimating the net positive feedback in the climate system.  And I think much of the work assigning consequences to even small increases in global temperatures &#8211; from tornadoes to hurricanes to lizard extinction &#8211; is frankly crap.  While I think the first mistake (around sensitivity) is an honest error, some day scientists will look back on the horrendous &#8220;science&#8221; of the consequences of warming and be ashamed.</p>
<p>It strikes me that a real scientific magazine that was actually seeking truth would, if it wanted to dedicate a whole issue to the climate debate, actually create a print debate between skeptics and alarmists to educate its readers.  If the alarmist case is so obvious, and its readers so smugly superior in their intellect, surely this would be the most powerful possible way to debunk skeptics.  Instead, the New Scientist chose, in a phrase I saw the other day and loved, to take a flamethrower to a field of straw men.</p>
<p>For those who want to watch the straw men go up in smoke, <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/LuboMotlsReferenceFrame/~3/rScoGDbE_-U/new-scientist-age-of-denial.html">The Reference Frame</a> has an index to the articles in this issue.</p>
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		<title>Some Thoughts From the Original Earth Day</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Lenin&#8217;s Birthday Earth Day coming up, here are some thoughts from the original Earth Day back in 1970.  How many times do alarmists have to be wrong before they stop getting such breathless press?
&#8220;We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this  nation, and of the world as a suitable [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Lenin&#8217;s Birthday</span> Earth Day coming up, here are some thoughts from the original Earth Day back in 1970.  How many times do alarmists have to be wrong before they <a href="http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/DonSurber/201004160445">stop getting such breathless press</a>?</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this  nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,&#8221; wrote  Washington University biologist Barry Commoner for a 1970 Earth Day  issue of &#8220;Environment,&#8221; a scientific journal.</p>
<p>He did not put an end date to his prediction. But Ehrlich did.</p>
<p>&#8220;Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small  increases in food supplies we make,&#8221; Ehrlich said in 1970.</p>
<p>&#8220;The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per  year will be starving to death during the next ten years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ehrlich was an optimist compared to Denis Hayes, an aide to Nelson, the  chief organizer for the first Earth Day.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,&#8221; Hayes said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable:  by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by  1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa.</p>
<p>&#8220;By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will  exist under famine conditions . . . By the year 2000, thirty years from  now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North  America, and Australia, will be in famine.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I am thrilled with the progress we have made on a number of real issues &#8212; including air and water pollution &#8212; since 1970.  It is unfortunate that our attention to these issues has been diverted by a 20 year obsession with trace amounts of CO2.</p>
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		<title>Science and Advocacy</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought this was an interesting analog to some activities in climate science:
some advocates for women’s health tried to pressure The  Lancet into delaying publication of the new findings, fearing that  good news would detract from the urgency of their cause, [Lancet editor]  Dr. [Richard] Horton said in a telephone interview.“I think [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was an <a href="http://volokh.com/2010/04/15/when-good-news-isnt-good-news/">interesting analog</a> to some activities in climate science:</p>
<blockquote><p>some advocates for women’s health tried to pressure <em>The  Lancet </em>into delaying publication of the new findings, fearing that  good news would detract from the urgency of their cause, [<em>Lancet </em>editor]  Dr. [Richard] Horton said in a telephone interview.“I think this is one  of those instances when science and advocacy can conflict,” he said.</p>
<p>Dr. Horton said the advocates, whom he declined to name, wanted the  new information held and released only after certain meetings about  maternal and child health had already taken place.</p>
<p>He said the meetings included one at the United Nations this week,  and another to be held in Washington in June, where advocates hope to  win support for more foreign aid for maternal health from Secretary of  State Hillary Rodham Clinton. Other meetings of concern to the advocates  are the Pacific Health Summit in June, and the United Nations General  Assembly meeting in December.</p></blockquote>
<p>some advocates for women’s health tried to pressure <em>The  Lancet </em>into delaying publication of the new findings, fearing that  good news would detract from the urgency of their cause, [<em>Lancet </em>editor]  Dr. [Richard] Horton said in a telephone interview.“I think this is one  of those instances when science and advocacy can conflict,” he said.</p>
<p>Dr. Horton said the advocates, whom he declined to name, wanted the  new information held and released only after certain meetings about  maternal and child health had already taken place.</p>
<p>He said the meetings included one at the United Nations this week,  and another to be held in Washington in June, where advocates hope to  win support for more foreign aid for maternal health from Secretary of  State Hillary Rodham Clinton. Other meetings of concern to the advocates  are the Pacific Health Summit in June, and the United Nations General  Assembly meeting in December.</p>
<p>“People who have spent many years committed to the issue of maternal  health were understandably worried that these figures could divert  attention from an issue that they care passionately about,” Dr. Horton  said. “But my feeling is that they are misguided in their view that this  would be damaging. My view is that actually these numbers help their  cause, not hinder it.”</p>
<p>“People who have spent many years committed to the issue of maternal  health were understandably worried that these figures could divert  attention from an issue that they care passionately about,” Dr. Horton  said. “But my feeling is that they are misguided in their view that this  would be damaging. My view is that actually these numbers help their  cause, not hinder it.”</p>
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		<title>A Pretty Naked Threat From Greenpeace</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the Greenpeace website, via Tom Nelson:


Climate  Rescue Weblog: Will the real ClimateGate please stand up? (part 2)
Emerging  battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a  rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: &#8220;The politicians  have failed. Now it&#8217;s up to us. We must break the law [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-greenpeaceorg-physical-threats.html">From the Greenpeace website, via Tom Nelson:</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html">Climate  Rescue Weblog: Will the real ClimateGate please stand up? (part 2)</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Emerging  battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a  rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: &#8220;The politicians  have failed. Now it&#8217;s up to us. We must break the law to make the laws  we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our  future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw  being climate activists. It&#8217;s not working. <strong>We need an army of climate  outlaws</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>The proper channels have failed. It&#8217;s time for  mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and  skepticism.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re one of those who believe that this is not  just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let&#8217;s talk about what  that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re one  of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate  legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around  false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments  into submission, then hear this:</p>
<p><strong>We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you  work</strong>.</p>
<p>And we be many, but you be few.</p></blockquote>
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<p>So one side of the climate catastrophism argument abhors open debate, refuses to allow scientific work to be shared or replicated, and openly threatens violence, and it is those of us on the other side who are anti-science?</p>
<p><strong>Update: </strong> In an interesting use of words, Greenpeace has removed and hidden the original post &#8220;in the interest of transparancey&#8221; and replaced it with a fairly lame message that says that obviously I and other misunderstood words like &#8220;army,&#8221;  &#8220;break the law,&#8221; and &#8220;We know where you live&#8221; as threatening.  Um, OK.  Any, Anthony was links to the original archived <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/06/damage-control-greenpeace-removes-threats/">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Update #2: </strong> This is pretty good overheated stuff, along roughly the same lines.   Because there is no better way to promote open scientific debate than <a href="http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/04/05/climate-change-denial-the-smoking-gun/">threatening to jail one side</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The criteria was “<em>The scientific and medical community’s knowledge of the relationship of smoking and disease evolved through the 1950s and achieved consensus in 1964. However, even after 1964, Defendants continued to deny both the existence of such consensus and the overwhelming evidence on which it was based</em>.”</p>
<p>So they <strong>ARE </strong>criminally liable if they continue to knowingly <a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php');" href="http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php">spread misinformation</a> <strong>after the scientific community has achieved consensus</strong>. There is <a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/debunking.pbwiki.com/%22There+is+no+Consensus%22+Myth');" href="http://debunking.pbwiki.com/%22There+is+no+Consensus%22+Myth">scientific consensus</a> on anthropogenic climate change and there <a onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.ucar.edu/governance/meetings/oct07/followup/presentations/n_oreskes_global_warming.pdf');" href="http://www.ucar.edu/governance/meetings/oct07/followup/presentations/n_oreskes_global_warming.pdf">has been for 15 to 20 years</a>.</p>
<p>Insomuch as the corporate Deniers claim that they have investigated the climate science thoroughly and that there is no significant evidence it seems to me they have lied themselves into a corner. Either they are lying about having examined the science or they are lying about what the science says, but either way they are lying. This makes them liable to legal action.</p>
<p>We don’t have half a century to waste tolerating these disinformation campaigns. This is not a question of upholding freedom of speech, it is a matter of corporate and individual criminality. The value of these reports is not in casting doubt on the Denier arguments; those have been known all along to be nonsense. The value is that the reports present an opportunity to hold the guilty parties responsible for their crimes, and to end the disinformation campaigns with legal penalties appropriate to the magnitude of those crimes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Next up, Fremch 19th century chemists are retroactively sued for challenging the nearly century-old consensus on the phlogistan theory of combustion.</p>
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		<title>Just Your Typical Interview on Scientific Issues..</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[..typical, at least, if you are a skeptic.  Tom Nelson beat me to the punch on an observation I was about to make about this interview with Marc Morano
[Check out this selection of questions from alarmist Randy Olson]:
RO: Okay, so let’s start with this — do you have doubts about President Obama’s birth certificate?
RO: Would [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..typical, at least, if you are a skeptic.  <a href="http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2010/03/don-miss-this-interview-with-marc.html">Tom Nelson</a> beat me to the punch on an observation I was about to make about <a href="http://thebenshi.com/2010/03/04/18-interview-with-marc-morano-part-ii-naming-names-bill-mckibben-exxon-mobil-george-monbiot-al-gore-john-kerry-joe-romm-dan-weiss-robert-murtha-mike-mann-ed-begley-jr-andy-revkin-an/">this interview with Marc Morano</a></p>
<blockquote><p>[Check out this selection of questions from alarmist Randy Olson]:<br />
RO: Okay, so let’s start with this — do you have doubts about President Obama’s birth certificate?<br />
RO: Would you vote for Sarah Palin for president?<br />
RO: Are you an anti-evolutionist?<br />
RO: So who funds you?<br />
RO: There are literally hundreds of celebrities on the global warming bandwagon. Are they all mis-informed? And why don’t you have any celebrities on the skeptics side?<br />
RO: Last question. So you don’t feel that you’re anti-science?</p></blockquote>
<p>Can you imagine an interview of, say, James Hansen that asked things like</p>
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<li>Do you have any doubts about the Bush National Guard memo&#8217;s publicized by Dan Rather?</li>
<li>Would you vote for Ralph Nader for president?</li>
<li>Are you an atheist?</li>
<li>Who funds you?</li>
<li>Are you willing to defend every statement Harrison Ford has made about global warming?</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t  you feel like you are anti-freedom?</li>
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<p>The asymmetry of how skeptics are treated in the media is startling.</p>
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		<title>Shut Up, For the Children</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought I would share a couple of bits of an email I got today.  The email showed a distinct lack of familiarity with the nuances of my climate position, so my guess is this may be a form letter.  I find it interesting a 17-year-old knows the term &#8220;NGO&#8221; but does not know to capitalize [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I would share a couple of bits of an email I got today.  The email showed a distinct lack of familiarity with the nuances of my climate position, so my guess is this may be a form letter.  I find it interesting a 17-year-old knows the term &#8220;NGO&#8221; but does not know to capitalize the first letter in a sentence (emphasis added).</p>
<blockquote><p>hello.<br />
this is a (hopefully) reasonable and (hopefully) well thought out message.<br />
firstly i will say that i am 17 years old and not under the sway of any goverments/NGOs.<br />
i believe that what you are doing with your climate skeptic blog is dangerous.<br />
dangerous not only to yourself (in a minor way), but to my generation(in a much bigger way)&#8230;.  [portion snipped out here basically talking about the writer's view of what science is beyond dispute and lecturing me on the precautionary principle]</p>
<p>you&#8217;ll probably think it&#8217;s rich, being lectured on &#8216;responsibility&#8217; by a mere 17 year old, but hear (or read <img src='http://www.climate-movie.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) me out&#8230;<br />
by publishing your blog i believe you are infringing upon successive generations&#8217; fundamental basic human right to life.<br />
denying climate change is fine if you just hold these veiws and keep them to yourself and don&#8217;t overtly act upon them.<br />
it does however become infinitely more dangerous to my generation to preach these views as fact(or even air them in a serious manner).<br />
as far as i see it, this is an issue of life and death.<br />
the way i see it, you&#8217;re going along the &#8216;more likely to be death&#8217; route, and please, if only for the sake of your children, or your children&#8217;s children, <strong>stop updating your blog</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, I will pass.  But it is nice to know that folks like Al Gore, Michael Mann, and Steve Jones have passed down their fear and loathing of debate to the next generation.    I won&#8217;t share my response, but I asked him if he would prefer that my generation, instead of handing his generation a degree or so of warming, instead handed his generation an extra billion or so people in poverty.</p>
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		<title>Celebrity Insights on Climate Science</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new site is collecting and archiving quotes and videos from celebrities and politicians on climate issues.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new site is <a href="http://climatequotes.com/">collecting and archiving quotes</a> and videos from celebrities and politicians on climate issues.</p>
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		<title>Fake but Accurate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have written a number of times about climate science and post-modernism, where taking the politically correct position and pushing for the &#8220;right&#8221; government actions is more important than fact-based analysis or the scientific method.  This is a great example of the IPCC acting as just such a post-modernist institution:
The scientist behind the bogus claim [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written a number of times about climate science and post-modernism, where taking the politically correct position and pushing for the &#8220;right&#8221; government actions is more important than fact-based analysis or the scientific method.  <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html">This is a great example of the IPCC acting as just such a post-modernist institution</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The scientist behind the bogus claim in a Nobel Prize-winning UN report that Himalayan glaciers will have melted by 2035 last night admitted it was included purely to put political pressure on world leaders.</p>
<p>Dr Murari Lal also said he was well aware the statement, in the 2007 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), did not rest on peer-reviewed scientific research.</p>
<p>In an interview with The Mail on Sunday, Dr Lal, the co-ordinating lead author of the report’s chapter on Asia, said: ‘It related to several countries in this region and their water sources. We thought that if we can highlight it, it will impact policy-makers and politicians and encourage them to take some concrete action&#8230;.</p>
<p>Dr Lal said: ‘We knew the WWF report with the 2035 date was “grey literature” [material not published in a peer-reviewed journal]. But it was never picked up by any of the authors in our working group, nor by any of the more than 500 external reviewers, by the governments to which it was sent, or by the final IPCC review editors.’</p>
<p>In fact, the 2035 melting date seems to have been plucked from thin air.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, IPCC leader Pachauri is unrepentant</p>
<blockquote><p>Last night, Dr Pachauri defended the IPCC, saying it was wrong to generalise based on a single mistake. ‘Our procedure is robust,’ he added.</p></blockquote>
<p>It was <a href="http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2010/01/dont-mistake-other-peoples-public-confidence-for-proof.html">Pachauri who originally lashed out</a> with these words at folks who originally criticized the Himalayan glacier claim:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the IPCC, told the Guardian: “We have a very clear idea of what is happening. I don’t know why the minister is supporting this unsubstantiated research. It is an extremely arrogant statement.”…</p>
<p>Pachauri dismissed the report saying it was not “peer reviewed” and had few “scientific citations”.</p>
<p>“With the greatest of respect this guy retired years ago and I find it totally baffling that he comes out and throws out everything that has been established years ago.”…</p>
<p>In response Pachauri said that such statements were reminiscent of “climate change deniers and school boy science”.</p></blockquote>
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