What I have found in the deniosphere are arrogant, self-aggrandizing, largely unfounded assertions (such as Wally’s at 11:53am) and cross-postings from other un-sourced blogs (like yours). To point this out usually causes defense anger, which could be expected, but very little of any substantive commentary other than the perennial ‘you-are-a-climate-alarmist-otherwise-you’d-agree’ tripe or the ‘this-is-open-science-therefore-I-don’t-have-to-have-a-verified-source’ rational. The ironic thing is that the deniosphere is hyper-critical of source material that comes from experts in the field. Or would would you rather take the word of a travel photographer over a climate scientist? Actually, scratch that – we know the answer.

By the way, I don’t think anyone’s cringing over anything you post unless they happen to be a style editor.

Sorry for sayin’ ‘ugly’. But I think Meyer’s blog is done a little nicer.

Are you gonna publish something in peer-review soon? Pretty sure this would do more for your cause then that ugly blog you got there.

Neil, if you’re actually an expert in this field, I don’t think you’ve been doing a very good job of proving it.

Of course, there are some sources that some people will denigrate for ad-hom reasons. An example is the lame-brain smear of the Lavoisier Group regarding the Vostok ice core chart. Fine. Download the Vostok and create your own chart in Excel using the same time period – you’ll get the same damn chart as Lavoisier presents.

The data are the data, and most empirical evidence does not support a “hockey-stick” hypothesis, nor support the claim of “unprecedented” modern warming. We present very inconvenient, sourced data at C3, and enjoy doing so with much glee. For example, here’s our latest that most alarmists will cringe over: http://www.c3headlines.com/2010/05/climate-research-from-briffa-esper-jones-moberg-mann-all-confirm-the-extreme-medieval-warming.html

Stay tuned, more data to be charted…whoo hoo!

C3 Editor

Intelligent,thoughtful, and non-reactionary as always, tissuetigre. How is it I so overestimate the deniosphere?

I can’t speak for JD, but as for me checking whomever Waldork is sucking up to, then picking the opposite, is a real time saver.

How do you know which group of experts to believe?

My favorite thing to do here is to see where the CS tribe gets its own appeals to authority from. So I began looking up the sources of your graphics. Of course, C3 is as absolutely biased as any source one would ever find, but for some reason this does not bother you, papercat, while you seem very concerned with the idea that Real Climate is playing dirty pool. Or do you believe you and the tribe here are being objective?

I started with the first C3 graphic and worked my way down. There are a lot so it will take me a while to go through all the URLs, but what price knowledge, right? I mean, we want to make sure the people giving us information we base our decisions on are trustworthy, know what they are talking about, and telling us the unbiased truth, am I wrong? So let’s see where your information comes from, Kittycat.

1st graphic Lavoisier Group – an Exxon Mobile funded organization
2nd graphic global research – a very odd “non-profit” organization with a number of conservative articles
3rd graphic John McClean – a self-styled “Computer consultant and occasional travel photographer” who also has a global warming page
4th graphic – unclear where this comes from – URL claims to be NOAA but does not seem to connect to anything. Quite possibly this is a NOAA graphic but the context in the original report is completely lost. As usual with the deniosphere, C3 links to other deniosphere blogs or its own self to justify the use of its own graphics. Neat trick that.
5th graphic – unclear as above.
6th graphic – Cliff Harris and Randy Mann, neither of whom are climate scientists but have some small background as radio meteorologists.

So funny: when CS links to sources of information – appeals to authority, in other words – it is almost always, and I mean ALWAYS, non-scientists or people with meager science backgrounds apparently trying to cash-in on the dialogue.