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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 20:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,
Please show me the history of your interesting idea about scientists choosing who to share data with.
It is fascinating to consider the idea that science is not to be tested rigorously, but rather is to be shared only with those who support your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,<br />
Please show me the history of your interesting idea about scientists choosing who to share data with.<br />
It is fascinating to consider the idea that science is not to be tested rigorously, but rather is to be shared only with those who support your work.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 19:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of thing is more common than one might think.

Scientists have put out the myth that they are not subject to normal human failings, and that myth is wrong. The warmists have also tried to convince people that &quot;peer reviewed&quot; means correct and not &quot;peer reviewed&quot; means pseudo-science, when in fact peer review is primarily a way of ensuring the quality of papers, and does not guarantee the quality of the science.

Too many scientists, in other words, are trying to convince others that they are right, just because they are scientists, when it is the method, often only over a long period of meandering and false directions, that converges on truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of thing is more common than one might think.</p>
<p>Scientists have put out the myth that they are not subject to normal human failings, and that myth is wrong. The warmists have also tried to convince people that &#8220;peer reviewed&#8221; means correct and not &#8220;peer reviewed&#8221; means pseudo-science, when in fact peer review is primarily a way of ensuring the quality of papers, and does not guarantee the quality of the science.</p>
<p>Too many scientists, in other words, are trying to convince others that they are right, just because they are scientists, when it is the method, often only over a long period of meandering and false directions, that converges on truth.</p>
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		<title>By: ADiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Your distinction makes a mockery of the self-correcting character of science.  It amounts to saying that agreeing with me is &quot;advancing scientific understanding&quot; while disagreeing is simply &quot;discrediting&quot;.  The whole point of science is that it&#039;s subject to &quot;discrediting&quot;.  One makes one&#039;s data available to everyone, for the purpose of their trying to find fault.  That&#039;s the way science works.  If it doesn&#039;t work that way it&#039;s not science, and it doesn&#039;t work.  If one is involved in scientific work and won&#039;t make one&#039;s data and methodology freely available, then what one&#039;s doing, scientific or not, isn&#039;t &#039;science&#039;, it&#039;s private commercial or political development.  Disputants should be judged on the value of their disputes, not a subjective estimate of their &#039;expected&#039; worth in advance.  Jones, et al. very clearly wandered off the tracks and ended up engaged in some activity distinctly NOT science, but more like political or ideological advocacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Your distinction makes a mockery of the self-correcting character of science.  It amounts to saying that agreeing with me is &#8220;advancing scientific understanding&#8221; while disagreeing is simply &#8220;discrediting&#8221;.  The whole point of science is that it&#8217;s subject to &#8220;discrediting&#8221;.  One makes one&#8217;s data available to everyone, for the purpose of their trying to find fault.  That&#8217;s the way science works.  If it doesn&#8217;t work that way it&#8217;s not science, and it doesn&#8217;t work.  If one is involved in scientific work and won&#8217;t make one&#8217;s data and methodology freely available, then what one&#8217;s doing, scientific or not, isn&#8217;t &#8216;science&#8217;, it&#8217;s private commercial or political development.  Disputants should be judged on the value of their disputes, not a subjective estimate of their &#8216;expected&#8217; worth in advance.  Jones, et al. very clearly wandered off the tracks and ended up engaged in some activity distinctly NOT science, but more like political or ideological advocacy.</p>
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		<title>By: computing virtualization</title>
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		<dc:creator>computing virtualization</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Jones now admits that there has been no global warming since 1995. But the warmists will reply that this proves nothing, as neither was there a warming from 1940 till 1970, though afterwards the warming came again “with a revenge”. So there we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Jones now admits that there has been no global warming since 1995. But the warmists will reply that this proves nothing, as neither was there a warming from 1940 till 1970, though afterwards the warming came again “with a revenge”. So there we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and yet your post doesn&#039;t distinguish with those that disagree with him scientifically or politically. It makes sense not to share hard-earned data with people are more concerned with discrediting you than in advancing scientific understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet your post doesn&#8217;t distinguish with those that disagree with him scientifically or politically. It makes sense not to share hard-earned data with people are more concerned with discrediting you than in advancing scientific understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get the &#039;impressin&#039; that his &#039;methodoloby&#039; may not have been perfect.
If Jones had not shared his data and code with anyone then he could have been partly right.
If he had chosen to not publish his work at all he would have been fully correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get the &#8216;impressin&#8217; that his &#8216;methodoloby&#8217; may not have been perfect.<br />
If Jones had not shared his data and code with anyone then he could have been partly right.<br />
If he had chosen to not publish his work at all he would have been fully correct.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best cons are the ones that operate in the open with the support of the victims.
Jones, Mann, Hansen, Gore, etc. etc. are very open, and very well loved:
They are open about doctoring data, making stuff up, hiding processes, avoiding real peer review, etc.
But the science is correct, so they are just being boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best cons are the ones that operate in the open with the support of the victims.<br />
Jones, Mann, Hansen, Gore, etc. etc. are very open, and very well loved:<br />
They are open about doctoring data, making stuff up, hiding processes, avoiding real peer review, etc.<br />
But the science is correct, so they are just being boys.</p>
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		<title>By: Stonyground</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stonyground</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil Jones has repeatedly claimed that the data that he used for his computer models is freely available from the original sources and I believe that Micheal Mann has used the same argument. Are they hoping that the person that they are addressing will be unaware that another scientist would require to know precisely which sets of data had been used and the precise methodology they had used in order to check their work?

It would also appear to me that Phil Jones must have known only too well how shaky his data and methods were. If his science had been robust he would have had no problem at all with sceptics trying to pick fault with it because he would have known that it would stand up to their best efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil Jones has repeatedly claimed that the data that he used for his computer models is freely available from the original sources and I believe that Micheal Mann has used the same argument. Are they hoping that the person that they are addressing will be unaware that another scientist would require to know precisely which sets of data had been used and the precise methodology they had used in order to check their work?</p>
<p>It would also appear to me that Phil Jones must have known only too well how shaky his data and methods were. If his science had been robust he would have had no problem at all with sceptics trying to pick fault with it because he would have known that it would stand up to their best efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: George Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 12:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point you should be making is that Jones and his co-workers (including many at the IPCC) do not qualify for the designation &quot;Scientists&quot;.  People who do science do not conceal data.  Period.  Any worker who does so, as Jones has admitted doing, forfeits the right to be considered a scientist.  

Jones et. al. have done lasting harm to science as a field of human inquiry, but they have performed one useful service in that they have settled the issue about &quot;settled science&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point you should be making is that Jones and his co-workers (including many at the IPCC) do not qualify for the designation &#8220;Scientists&#8221;.  People who do science do not conceal data.  Period.  Any worker who does so, as Jones has admitted doing, forfeits the right to be considered a scientist.  </p>
<p>Jones et. al. have done lasting harm to science as a field of human inquiry, but they have performed one useful service in that they have settled the issue about &#8220;settled science&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Electric underfloor heating</title>
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		<dc:creator>Electric underfloor heating</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am totally agree with Jones. I mean to say that why no body want to share his hard work with other for replication purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am totally agree with Jones. I mean to say that why no body want to share his hard work with other for replication purpose.</p>
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