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		<title>By: Adam Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore – Sun God Shaman?

    When you read the science, you’ll find it to be well known that the Earth experiences 30-35 year temperature cycles. Thus any ‘climatologist’ who supposedly didn’t know this would be considered a fool amongst their colleagues.

    In fact, if this is your job, you can’t NOT know about Earth’s 30-35 year temperature cycles!

    Thus many scientists have been waiting for this latest warming ‘wave’ within the greater ‘tide’ to break, which is very likely what we are seeing right now with all of this record winter weather around the world.  It snowed last year in Baghdad, for crying out loud – first time in 100 years!!  And now England is snowed in, and the fraudsters have not-so-subtly changed their rhetoric from ‘Global Warming’ to ‘Climate Change Crisis’.

    But this is only a re-branding of their fraud.  Al Gore and crew attempted to use an upward fluctuation in this cycle to spread terror for power and profit, just as Inca and Mayan Priests once used their knowledge of eclipses to intimidate their populations, and pretend a direct connection to God.

     The motives of this are plain : Al Gore has a Carbon Credit Exchange waiting in the wings, developed with David Blood and, early in its development, Ken Lay of Enron.  These two crooks have already played key roles in collapsing our economies, in their quest for profits under the new &#039;Scarcity Capitalism&#039; Lay was so fond of, and we are about to hand over our economies to their sinister, vile, greedy machinations.

    If you look back at the only really solid data we have, which of course only covers the last 100 years or so – you will see the two previous cycles were a little longer than this one.  If you go long range, you see that overall, we ARE in a warming cycle.  It’s been warmer centuries ago, it’s hardly a bad thing, there’s nothing we can do about it anyway, so we prepare, is all. Big deal.

    But this game plays out like this – it’s not ’settled science’, but it is still fairly well known that the latest upward swing would lead to a dip – and we would have a carbon tax imposed just in time for a 35 year downswing in temperatures, when our energy needs would skyrocket.  The payout would go beyond bags of money. It would be Global Fascism at it’s purest and finest.

    Thus they started to go into the schools in the 90’s, to indoctrinate a generation of children in their fraudulent cult – it’s easy to see that it’s been nothing less than timed, if you just do a little &#039;hindcasting of your own.  If this natural upward fluctuation in temperature cycles were to have lasted an extra year or two – assuming we are looking at the onset of the dip we should be and would be expecting if we had honest leaders who weren’t trying to enslave us with phony science – there would be an army of self-hating eco-police coming out to do battle against evil polluting humanity over the next decade and all the laws would have been in place.

     It is nothing less than FOOLISH to abandon one source of energy without first developing another.  To attempt to force the issue with a blatant scientific fraud destroys any alleged value in such an effort - in case you forgot, Stalin taught us the true meaning of &quot;The End Justifies The Means&quot;.

     What Al Gore and the rest of the Climate Clown Cabal did – and are still trying to do! – is TREASON.  Anybody remember what that is? Well, I’ll give you a hint – before there can be treason, you need to still have a country first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore – Sun God Shaman?</p>
<p>    When you read the science, you’ll find it to be well known that the Earth experiences 30-35 year temperature cycles. Thus any ‘climatologist’ who supposedly didn’t know this would be considered a fool amongst their colleagues.</p>
<p>    In fact, if this is your job, you can’t NOT know about Earth’s 30-35 year temperature cycles!</p>
<p>    Thus many scientists have been waiting for this latest warming ‘wave’ within the greater ‘tide’ to break, which is very likely what we are seeing right now with all of this record winter weather around the world.  It snowed last year in Baghdad, for crying out loud – first time in 100 years!!  And now England is snowed in, and the fraudsters have not-so-subtly changed their rhetoric from ‘Global Warming’ to ‘Climate Change Crisis’.</p>
<p>    But this is only a re-branding of their fraud.  Al Gore and crew attempted to use an upward fluctuation in this cycle to spread terror for power and profit, just as Inca and Mayan Priests once used their knowledge of eclipses to intimidate their populations, and pretend a direct connection to God.</p>
<p>     The motives of this are plain : Al Gore has a Carbon Credit Exchange waiting in the wings, developed with David Blood and, early in its development, Ken Lay of Enron.  These two crooks have already played key roles in collapsing our economies, in their quest for profits under the new &#8216;Scarcity Capitalism&#8217; Lay was so fond of, and we are about to hand over our economies to their sinister, vile, greedy machinations.</p>
<p>    If you look back at the only really solid data we have, which of course only covers the last 100 years or so – you will see the two previous cycles were a little longer than this one.  If you go long range, you see that overall, we ARE in a warming cycle.  It’s been warmer centuries ago, it’s hardly a bad thing, there’s nothing we can do about it anyway, so we prepare, is all. Big deal.</p>
<p>    But this game plays out like this – it’s not ’settled science’, but it is still fairly well known that the latest upward swing would lead to a dip – and we would have a carbon tax imposed just in time for a 35 year downswing in temperatures, when our energy needs would skyrocket.  The payout would go beyond bags of money. It would be Global Fascism at it’s purest and finest.</p>
<p>    Thus they started to go into the schools in the 90’s, to indoctrinate a generation of children in their fraudulent cult – it’s easy to see that it’s been nothing less than timed, if you just do a little &#8216;hindcasting of your own.  If this natural upward fluctuation in temperature cycles were to have lasted an extra year or two – assuming we are looking at the onset of the dip we should be and would be expecting if we had honest leaders who weren’t trying to enslave us with phony science – there would be an army of self-hating eco-police coming out to do battle against evil polluting humanity over the next decade and all the laws would have been in place.</p>
<p>     It is nothing less than FOOLISH to abandon one source of energy without first developing another.  To attempt to force the issue with a blatant scientific fraud destroys any alleged value in such an effort &#8211; in case you forgot, Stalin taught us the true meaning of &#8220;The End Justifies The Means&#8221;.</p>
<p>     What Al Gore and the rest of the Climate Clown Cabal did – and are still trying to do! – is TREASON.  Anybody remember what that is? Well, I’ll give you a hint – before there can be treason, you need to still have a country first.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 01:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graham - what is COTY 15?</description>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 01:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to Pat Moffit - the main point that needs to be made is that the data has been tampered with, and thus the claimed result - AGW - is bogus. But additionally, and let&#039;s all take a deep breath - this whole area of science, and the predictions derived thereof, are BEYOND OUR CAPABILITIES, at this point in time and technology. Jumping to conclusions, and taking aim at moving targets will only bring waste, grief, undesired results (possibly cooling the earth further when we should be warming) - and really consequences of which we can only guess at.

The social and criminal repercussions of the fudging, however should become quite tangible and not be allowed to escape our grasp and punishment. Climate cheaters should be exposed, tried and given their due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to Pat Moffit &#8211; the main point that needs to be made is that the data has been tampered with, and thus the claimed result &#8211; AGW &#8211; is bogus. But additionally, and let&#8217;s all take a deep breath &#8211; this whole area of science, and the predictions derived thereof, are BEYOND OUR CAPABILITIES, at this point in time and technology. Jumping to conclusions, and taking aim at moving targets will only bring waste, grief, undesired results (possibly cooling the earth further when we should be warming) &#8211; and really consequences of which we can only guess at.</p>
<p>The social and criminal repercussions of the fudging, however should become quite tangible and not be allowed to escape our grasp and punishment. Climate cheaters should be exposed, tried and given their due.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Cheeseman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Cheeseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if the &quot;hockey stick&quot; was true, (which I don&#039;t believe) then reading this article on the NOAA which should dispel all these myths. Its all about where you start from as a reference. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/

I&#039;m beginning to think we&#039;re in for an ice age after all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if the &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; was true, (which I don&#8217;t believe) then reading this article on the NOAA which should dispel all these myths. Its all about where you start from as a reference. <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to think we&#8217;re in for an ice age after all</p>
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		<title>By: TA</title>
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		<dc:creator>TA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe your main point here is in error, because of the difference between degrees F and degrees C. According to the graph on the NOAA page you link to, their adjustments are shown in degrees Fahrenheit, not Celsius. Perhaps your summary should be:

Actual Measured Temperature Increase: 	0.3C
Adjustments and Fudge Factors: 	0.5F = 0.3C
Total Reported Warming: 	0.6C

Am I correct? If so, it is still worth reporting, but it should be done correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe your main point here is in error, because of the difference between degrees F and degrees C. According to the graph on the NOAA page you link to, their adjustments are shown in degrees Fahrenheit, not Celsius. Perhaps your summary should be:</p>
<p>Actual Measured Temperature Increase: 	0.3C<br />
Adjustments and Fudge Factors: 	0.5F = 0.3C<br />
Total Reported Warming: 	0.6C</p>
<p>Am I correct? If so, it is still worth reporting, but it should be done correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Hk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Hk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree.
&quot;Show us the raw data&quot;, and give us the adjustment paradigm/program/s including explanations.
Any hypothesis needs testing; global warming due to CO2 is a hypothesis.
It is not a fact when others cannot test the hypothesis.
The majority of the British Society once argued the Earth was flat.
They now argue there is warming due to CO2; probably wrong again to my mind.
It is difficult to believe there is a clear temperature signal given the varying locations of sensors, etc.
One must assume the amount of noise is considerable. But, subjective adjustment to show otherwise is not science - opinion based conclusions are not science. 
For the moment the empirical evidence of Prof Lindzens&#039; study demonstrates that energy leaving the planet is not being blocked by increasing CO2. A fact that is in accord with proven science; CO2 has reached a level where more CO2 affects climate less and less. Most of the frequency blocked by CO2 has been blocked.
This is contrary to ALL IPCC models.
When the history of temperature and CO2 concentrations is denied by the &#039;warmists&#039; and their models are at odds with empirical evidence (Lindzen et al) there is no cause for the seekers of truth in science (Deniers) to defend their position.
Warmists do not have a case or have failed to present the evidence - all we have from them is a mantra.
Without evidence to the contrary my view remains that &quot;CO2 is life - COTY 15 death&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree.<br />
&#8220;Show us the raw data&#8221;, and give us the adjustment paradigm/program/s including explanations.<br />
Any hypothesis needs testing; global warming due to CO2 is a hypothesis.<br />
It is not a fact when others cannot test the hypothesis.<br />
The majority of the British Society once argued the Earth was flat.<br />
They now argue there is warming due to CO2; probably wrong again to my mind.<br />
It is difficult to believe there is a clear temperature signal given the varying locations of sensors, etc.<br />
One must assume the amount of noise is considerable. But, subjective adjustment to show otherwise is not science &#8211; opinion based conclusions are not science.<br />
For the moment the empirical evidence of Prof Lindzens&#8217; study demonstrates that energy leaving the planet is not being blocked by increasing CO2. A fact that is in accord with proven science; CO2 has reached a level where more CO2 affects climate less and less. Most of the frequency blocked by CO2 has been blocked.<br />
This is contrary to ALL IPCC models.<br />
When the history of temperature and CO2 concentrations is denied by the &#8216;warmists&#8217; and their models are at odds with empirical evidence (Lindzen et al) there is no cause for the seekers of truth in science (Deniers) to defend their position.<br />
Warmists do not have a case or have failed to present the evidence &#8211; all we have from them is a mantra.<br />
Without evidence to the contrary my view remains that &#8220;CO2 is life &#8211; COTY 15 death&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jermey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Jermey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Science is about disproving null hypotheses. The null hypothesis in this case is that global temperatures are not changing in line with CO2 increases. It is not incumbent on those who believe the null hypothesis to prove it; it is incumbent on those who are trying to show otherwise to disprove it, and in real science this is done by using real data and establishing real confidence levels -- not by making blithe undisclosed &#039;assumptions&#039; about what the data &#039;should&#039; be doing. The release of this raw data is the single greatest achievement of the Climategate investigation so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Science is about disproving null hypotheses. The null hypothesis in this case is that global temperatures are not changing in line with CO2 increases. It is not incumbent on those who believe the null hypothesis to prove it; it is incumbent on those who are trying to show otherwise to disprove it, and in real science this is done by using real data and establishing real confidence levels &#8212; not by making blithe undisclosed &#8216;assumptions&#8217; about what the data &#8217;should&#8217; be doing. The release of this raw data is the single greatest achievement of the Climategate investigation so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Rmoen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rmoen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those willing to take a few minutes I can demonstrate that adjustments to raw data can make a huge difference in temperature records.  It just so happens that two different arms of American climate/weather science use Reno, NV to illustrate their points.  First, the Weather Service illustrates the need to place thermometers away from urban heat islands (page 31):
http://www.weather.gov/om/csd/pds/PCU6/IC6_2/tutorial1/PCU6-Unit2.pdf

Second, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration explains their methodology for adjusting raw data:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/#urbanization

Please note that instead of adjusting Reno&#039;s &#039;min temp&#039; downward to conform to Reno&#039;s 1997 &amp; 1998 &#039;non-heat island&#039; temperature, the NOAA adjusted upwards to conform to Reno&#039;s &#039;heat island&#039; temperature record.  While the NOAA claims &quot;impact of urbanization and other changes in land use is likely small,&quot; their adjustments seem to demonstrate that Reno&#039;s adjusted temperature records are overstated by 4-5 degrees F. compared to what they would be if the thermometer was not situated within Reno&#039;s heat island.

-- Robert Moen, www.energyplanUSA.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those willing to take a few minutes I can demonstrate that adjustments to raw data can make a huge difference in temperature records.  It just so happens that two different arms of American climate/weather science use Reno, NV to illustrate their points.  First, the Weather Service illustrates the need to place thermometers away from urban heat islands (page 31):<br />
<a href="http://www.weather.gov/om/csd/pds/PCU6/IC6_2/tutorial1/PCU6-Unit2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.weather.gov/om/csd/pds/PCU6/IC6_2/tutorial1/PCU6-Unit2.pdf</a></p>
<p>Second, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration explains their methodology for adjusting raw data:<br />
<a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/#urbanization" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/#urbanization</a></p>
<p>Please note that instead of adjusting Reno&#8217;s &#8216;min temp&#8217; downward to conform to Reno&#8217;s 1997 &amp; 1998 &#8216;non-heat island&#8217; temperature, the NOAA adjusted upwards to conform to Reno&#8217;s &#8216;heat island&#8217; temperature record.  While the NOAA claims &#8220;impact of urbanization and other changes in land use is likely small,&#8221; their adjustments seem to demonstrate that Reno&#8217;s adjusted temperature records are overstated by 4-5 degrees F. compared to what they would be if the thermometer was not situated within Reno&#8217;s heat island.</p>
<p>&#8211; Robert Moen, <a href="http://www.energyplanUSA.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.energyplanUSA.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat Moffitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Moffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex- Skeptics do not have to do anything but ask questions and consider the answer. It is not skeptics that are trying to &quot;remake civilization as  we know it&quot; The burden of proof would seem to be on those who ask us to undo our civilization based on the strength of their claims. We ask nothing more than proof. The temperature measurement we are asked to believe over the last century or so is supposed to have risen some 0.6 degC. TOB is just one of the many variables that should go into calculating the accuracy of this temperature data. Let&#039;s see it. (just do a quick little probability in your head- take all the unknowns TOB, change in measuring devise technology, siting issues, instrument readability, land use changes, spatial coverage etc where do you think this leads us with regards to relying on a temperature that claims 0.04C accuracy over a century time scale? The CRU leak/hack also supports the premise that the temperature rise cannot be seen above noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex- Skeptics do not have to do anything but ask questions and consider the answer. It is not skeptics that are trying to &#8220;remake civilization as  we know it&#8221; The burden of proof would seem to be on those who ask us to undo our civilization based on the strength of their claims. We ask nothing more than proof. The temperature measurement we are asked to believe over the last century or so is supposed to have risen some 0.6 degC. TOB is just one of the many variables that should go into calculating the accuracy of this temperature data. Let&#8217;s see it. (just do a quick little probability in your head- take all the unknowns TOB, change in measuring devise technology, siting issues, instrument readability, land use changes, spatial coverage etc where do you think this leads us with regards to relying on a temperature that claims 0.04C accuracy over a century time scale? The CRU leak/hack also supports the premise that the temperature rise cannot be seen above noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to point out that there&#039;s no reason an adjustment can&#039;t be legitimate. If you switch thermometers and calibrations show that the new one has a different bias, an adjustment SHOULD be made. Skeptic&#039;s can&#039;t just point at the big adjustments and sling them around as victory. It needs to be shown why the individual adjustments are false, if they are false at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to point out that there&#8217;s no reason an adjustment can&#8217;t be legitimate. If you switch thermometers and calibrations show that the new one has a different bias, an adjustment SHOULD be made. Skeptic&#8217;s can&#8217;t just point at the big adjustments and sling them around as victory. It needs to be shown why the individual adjustments are false, if they are false at all.</p>
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