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		<title>By: ADiff</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/11/the-enablers-of-fraud.html/comment-page-1#comment-6388</link>
		<dc:creator>ADiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,  No matter how much wealth you threw at the problem (persistent African economic under-performance) you&#039;d find it impossible to &quot;lift Africa out of poverty&quot;.  That can only be done by the Africans themselves.  Most of the nations of Africa have intensely counter-productive governmental and social systems.  Until they repair these, no outside assistance can change the productive profiles of those states.  About the only end of any massive outside assistance effort would be a temporary enrichment of small groups of thugs (the very ones running...and ruining...those states today!)

Ah, but all this belongs in another blog-site altogether!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,  No matter how much wealth you threw at the problem (persistent African economic under-performance) you&#8217;d find it impossible to &#8220;lift Africa out of poverty&#8221;.  That can only be done by the Africans themselves.  Most of the nations of Africa have intensely counter-productive governmental and social systems.  Until they repair these, no outside assistance can change the productive profiles of those states.  About the only end of any massive outside assistance effort would be a temporary enrichment of small groups of thugs (the very ones running&#8230;and ruining&#8230;those states today!)</p>
<p>Ah, but all this belongs in another blog-site altogether!</p>
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		<title>By: Otter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hunted is sounding more and more desperate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hunted is sounding more and more desperate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crawford</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/11/the-enablers-of-fraud.html/comment-page-1#comment-6205</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You are really a tragic case of someone too stupid to understand how stupid they are.&quot;

I know you are, but what am I?

(Or was that response too mature for the likes of Hunter?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are really a tragic case of someone too stupid to understand how stupid they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you are, but what am I?</p>
<p>(Or was that response too mature for the likes of Hunter?)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hunter - you are a godsend! Keep blowing hard, brother/sister, you just might convince more people to look at the data (now there&#039;s some positive feedback for you). After all, in the time it took for your brain to react to the &quot;insult&quot; to your dogma, someone started to educate themselves on the issue. You&#039;re doing much good in this world - we can&#039;t thank you enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter &#8211; you are a godsend! Keep blowing hard, brother/sister, you just might convince more people to look at the data (now there&#8217;s some positive feedback for you). After all, in the time it took for your brain to react to the &#8220;insult&#8221; to your dogma, someone started to educate themselves on the issue. You&#8217;re doing much good in this world &#8211; we can&#8217;t thank you enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huter: Excellent post! When you can&#039;t respond with factual rebuttal, respond with vitriol! Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huter: Excellent post! When you can&#8217;t respond with factual rebuttal, respond with vitriol! Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. Rifkind and his lot are welcome to send my any critiques of my video on the science of the skeptics position. Operators are standing by.&quot;

You&#039;ve proven enough times that you don&#039;t have a clue how to respond when your idiotic beliefs are shown to be wrong.  You just ignore criticism and simply repeat your bullshit ad nauseam.  You are really a tragic case of someone too stupid to understand how stupid they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Rifkind and his lot are welcome to send my any critiques of my video on the science of the skeptics position. Operators are standing by.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve proven enough times that you don&#8217;t have a clue how to respond when your idiotic beliefs are shown to be wrong.  You just ignore criticism and simply repeat your bullshit ad nauseam.  You are really a tragic case of someone too stupid to understand how stupid they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Btok</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/11/the-enablers-of-fraud.html/comment-page-1#comment-6184</link>
		<dc:creator>Btok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the Copenhagen Treaty Summit should be cancelled! How in God&#039;s name can this be considered a legal agreement when a Huge Amount of the basis for the Climate Change Data has been found to be Fraudulently Sabotaged and absolutely Inaccurate? This is signing an agreement Document that has no Legal Foundation of Realistic conditions or elements due to inaccurate and Manipulated Data as described and therefore, anything stated on this Copenhagen Treaty Document should be considered Null and Void! Why create a Pandora&#039;s Box, subject to Lawsuits and Misgivings due to total inaccuracy of Scientific measurements? Which now is proving to be the case! This Treaty has no Legal ground to stand on and is and will be a False Document from day one!

Any lawyers want to help out by filing this Copenhagen Treaty be classified as an illegal Treaty!

There are four reasons the UN and IMF, Global Elitist Members Re: Ban Kai Moon ( Who has openly expressed his stong desire for Global Governance ), PM Gordon Brown, Bilderberg Member Henry Kissinger, Senior Bilderberg Member David Rockefeller as well as an unprecedented number of Dictators that run various countries who are members of the United Nations this Copenhagen Treaty that was designed to acquire four goals, the least of them being climate improvment or protection as Lord Moncton has stated!
(1.) To de-industrialize Sovereign Countries ( No Jobs keep you dependant on State ) ( 2.) Take your money and assets - Hence, Fraudulent  Carbon Emmissions and Carbon Gases for Carbon Credits and Carbon Taxes! (3.) Take away your property (4.) Take away your Sovereignty and Freedom!

Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html ( For Canadians who do not wish to lose their Sovereignty should PM Stephen Harper sign the Copenhagen Treaty )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the Copenhagen Treaty Summit should be cancelled! How in God&#8217;s name can this be considered a legal agreement when a Huge Amount of the basis for the Climate Change Data has been found to be Fraudulently Sabotaged and absolutely Inaccurate? This is signing an agreement Document that has no Legal Foundation of Realistic conditions or elements due to inaccurate and Manipulated Data as described and therefore, anything stated on this Copenhagen Treaty Document should be considered Null and Void! Why create a Pandora&#8217;s Box, subject to Lawsuits and Misgivings due to total inaccuracy of Scientific measurements? Which now is proving to be the case! This Treaty has no Legal ground to stand on and is and will be a False Document from day one!</p>
<p>Any lawyers want to help out by filing this Copenhagen Treaty be classified as an illegal Treaty!</p>
<p>There are four reasons the UN and IMF, Global Elitist Members Re: Ban Kai Moon ( Who has openly expressed his stong desire for Global Governance ), PM Gordon Brown, Bilderberg Member Henry Kissinger, Senior Bilderberg Member David Rockefeller as well as an unprecedented number of Dictators that run various countries who are members of the United Nations this Copenhagen Treaty that was designed to acquire four goals, the least of them being climate improvment or protection as Lord Moncton has stated!<br />
(1.) To de-industrialize Sovereign Countries ( No Jobs keep you dependant on State ) ( 2.) Take your money and assets &#8211; Hence, Fraudulent  Carbon Emmissions and Carbon Gases for Carbon Credits and Carbon Taxes! (3.) Take away your property (4.) Take away your Sovereignty and Freedom!</p>
<p>Check out what Government is doing behind your back at: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html</a> ( For Canadians who do not wish to lose their Sovereignty should PM Stephen Harper sign the Copenhagen Treaty )</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adiff, good story. However, I would leave out the analogy of burning witches and starving Africans. If we really cared, we could afford to lift Africa out of poverty, with or without carbon taxes and similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adiff, good story. However, I would leave out the analogy of burning witches and starving Africans. If we really cared, we could afford to lift Africa out of poverty, with or without carbon taxes and similar.</p>
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		<title>By: ADiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that (in Germany at least, if not more generally) the &quot;Witch Craze&quot; of the early modern era was triggered by a rapid change in climate (i.e. onset of The Little Ice Age)...  The various experts of the Church organizations and academics decided that &#039;maleficium&#039; was to blame (since they,of course, couldn&#039;t find anything else...it must be witchcraft, eh?)  These experts constructed an entire body of &#039;science&#039; demonstrating the agency of witchcraft, proving its existence, and providing policy to address it (most notably &#039;witch finding&#039;, trials and executions).  This body of &#039;consensus science&#039; was defended against the occasional skeptic (read: &quot;denier&quot;) and general common sense without any vast explicit conspiracy, simply via the agencies of mass hysteria, herd mentality and ulterior self-interest (after all, who has any use for witchcraft scientists if there isn&#039;t any witchcraft crisis, or even witchcraft itself?). Folks as intelligent as Hobbes and Bacon were suborned.  Bacon started out skeptical, but as the weight of published articles (or what passed for such then) so overwhelmingly supported a witch crisis, came to believe it simply must be true. Hobbes began by lending credence to the consensus of expert opinion, but eventually decided the arguments weren&#039;t valid, no matter how popular.  Today we see a &#039;twist&#039; on the phenomenon, with a very real scientific realm (climate science) being suborned by ideology, belief and emotional advocacy, producing something very much akin to that earlier Witch Craze.  And it&#039;s almost certain to have the same kind of impact: hundred of thousands (if not millions in this case) of innocent victims, essentially &#039;burned at the stake&#039; of &#039;emissions reductions of CO2&#039;, and again most will have been poor, members of marginal communities, and ... yes .... especially in Africa, women.  My guess is that after all is said and done, the net result (beyond the aggregate individual want, suffering, death and lost productivity) will be the discrediting of the &#039;Environmental Community&#039; in particular, and &#039;Science&#039; in general, from any direct role in policy making, much as the first such craze cut further intrusion by the Church into politics &#039;off at the knees&#039; for generations afterward.  

Science, as represented by the government-academic conglomerate, appears to have veered rather badly &#039;off track&#039;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that (in Germany at least, if not more generally) the &#8220;Witch Craze&#8221; of the early modern era was triggered by a rapid change in climate (i.e. onset of The Little Ice Age)&#8230;  The various experts of the Church organizations and academics decided that &#8216;maleficium&#8217; was to blame (since they,of course, couldn&#8217;t find anything else&#8230;it must be witchcraft, eh?)  These experts constructed an entire body of &#8216;science&#8217; demonstrating the agency of witchcraft, proving its existence, and providing policy to address it (most notably &#8216;witch finding&#8217;, trials and executions).  This body of &#8216;consensus science&#8217; was defended against the occasional skeptic (read: &#8220;denier&#8221;) and general common sense without any vast explicit conspiracy, simply via the agencies of mass hysteria, herd mentality and ulterior self-interest (after all, who has any use for witchcraft scientists if there isn&#8217;t any witchcraft crisis, or even witchcraft itself?). Folks as intelligent as Hobbes and Bacon were suborned.  Bacon started out skeptical, but as the weight of published articles (or what passed for such then) so overwhelmingly supported a witch crisis, came to believe it simply must be true. Hobbes began by lending credence to the consensus of expert opinion, but eventually decided the arguments weren&#8217;t valid, no matter how popular.  Today we see a &#8216;twist&#8217; on the phenomenon, with a very real scientific realm (climate science) being suborned by ideology, belief and emotional advocacy, producing something very much akin to that earlier Witch Craze.  And it&#8217;s almost certain to have the same kind of impact: hundred of thousands (if not millions in this case) of innocent victims, essentially &#8216;burned at the stake&#8217; of &#8216;emissions reductions of CO2&#8242;, and again most will have been poor, members of marginal communities, and &#8230; yes &#8230;. especially in Africa, women.  My guess is that after all is said and done, the net result (beyond the aggregate individual want, suffering, death and lost productivity) will be the discrediting of the &#8216;Environmental Community&#8217; in particular, and &#8216;Science&#8217; in general, from any direct role in policy making, much as the first such craze cut further intrusion by the Church into politics &#8216;off at the knees&#8217; for generations afterward.  </p>
<p>Science, as represented by the government-academic conglomerate, appears to have veered rather badly &#8216;off track&#8217;!</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Go back a few hundred years, and it’s people like you who would have cried ‘witch’ and run for the kindling when the village crone predicted that bad things might happen if you shagged your sister.&quot;

To expound on adiff&#039;s comment, Hugo&#039;s anlogy is interesting, as it rather well fits the global warming bandwagon&#039;s actions; who, after all, is running around saying that bad things are going to happen based on some nefarious predictions that the village of global warming&#039;s wizards are making? Instead of &quot;shagging your sister&quot; though, substitute &quot;released CO2 into the system.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Go back a few hundred years, and it’s people like you who would have cried ‘witch’ and run for the kindling when the village crone predicted that bad things might happen if you shagged your sister.&#8221;</p>
<p>To expound on adiff&#8217;s comment, Hugo&#8217;s anlogy is interesting, as it rather well fits the global warming bandwagon&#8217;s actions; who, after all, is running around saying that bad things are going to happen based on some nefarious predictions that the village of global warming&#8217;s wizards are making? Instead of &#8220;shagging your sister&#8221; though, substitute &#8220;released CO2 into the system.&#8221;</p>
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