Comments on: Bummer. I Didn’t Make the List

By: LOLWUT

LOLWUT — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:12:20 +0000

I guess Kevin Trenberth, etc. didn’t tell Grist that it ISN’T getting any warmer??? ROFL

From: Kevin Trenberth

To: Michael Mann

Cc: Stephen H Schneider , Myles Allen , peter stott , “Philip D. Jones” , Benjamin Santer , Tom Wigley , Thomas R Karl , Gavin Schmidt , James Hansen , Michael Oppenheimer

Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.

Also, why is it on skeptic sites like here, Wattsup, Tom Nelson, etc. random people can just comment using random names but on Grist and so on you have to register? And on desmogblog I clicked on comments and – get this – it just went to ‘you are not authorized to view this page’. WTF? I landed on there from googling desmogblog, haven’t been on their site in about 2 years…

By: hunter

hunter — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:53:51 +0000

Dave,
Thanks again for the super-manual link.
I managed to fubar the winzip download I did last night, and so will need this.

By: hunter

hunter — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:41:48 +0000

Dave,
That is great. I will order a back copy. I was able to download a zipfile last night, and if successfully able to open it and use it will make sure it is widely seen.
And Hadley has apparently confirmed the provenance of the data.
Now that we see the corruption of the AGW leadership, it is time to push back. Hard.
There is no reason that AGW-demanded policies should go any further at all.
There is ever reason to critically audit each and every aspect, and each and every leader, of the aGW movement for at the least unlawfully destroying government property, misleading their respective governments, perjury in sworn testimony, etc.

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:46:39 +0000

You can have the 62MB FOI2009.ZIP file shipped to you on CDROM at http://www.super-manuals.com.

By: Dave

Dave — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:46:50 +0000

If someone has the ftp space, I’ll upload the file where you want it. Beware, the sites hosting this file are probably using excessive bandwidth. This is a hot file right now. Just post the ftp location.

By: hunter

hunter — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:43:59 +0000

FOIA,
Thank you for posting this. It is incredibly interesting.
It seems to have been pulled in the past couple of hours.
Any hope of posting this interesting information elsewhere?

By: FOIA

FOIA — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:47:37 +0000

We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.

We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents.
Hopefully it will give some insight into the science and the people behind it.

This is a limited time, very unofficial offer.

http://ftp.tomcity.ru/incoming/free/FOI2009.zip

Sample:

0926010576.txt * Mann: working towards a common goal
1189722851.txt * Jones: “try and change the Received date!”
0924532891.txt * Mann vs. CRU
0847838200.txt * Briffa & Yamal 1996: “too much growth in recent years makes it difficult to derive a valid age/growth curve”
0926026654.txt * Jones: MBH dodgy ground
1225026120.txt * CRU’s truncated temperature curve
1059664704.txt * Mann: dirty laundry
1062189235.txt * Osborn: concerns with MBH uncertainty
0926947295.txt * IPCC scenarios not supposed to be realistic
0938018124.txt * Mann: “something else” causing discrepancies
0939154709.txt * Osborn: we usually stop the series in 1960
0933255789.txt * WWF report: beef up if possible
0998926751.txt * “Carefully constructed” model scenarios to get “distinguishable results”
0968705882.txt * CLA: “IPCC is not any more an assessment of published science but production of results”
1075403821.txt * Jones: Daly death “cheering news”
1029966978.txt * Briffa – last decades exceptional, or not?
1092167224.txt * Mann: “not necessarily wrong, but it makes a small difference” (factor 1.29)
1188557698.txt * Wigley: “Keenan has a valid point”
1118949061.txt * we’d like to do some experiments with different proxy combinations
1120593115.txt * I am reviewing a couple of papers on extremes, so that I can refer to them in the chapter for AR4

By: hunter

hunter — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:17:38 +0000

Alan,
Thanks.
AGW is all about extracting simple, linear and incorrect conclusions from complex, non-linear systems.

By: Alan D. McIntire

Alan D. McIntire — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:19:14 +0000

I couldn’t find anthing specific on specific albedo as a function of latitude, but this might be of interest.

Optical properties and remote sensing of inland and coastal waters By R. P. Bukata -pg 61.

http://books.google.com/books?id=FVpVENnqfLUC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=water+albedo+angle+of+incidence&source=bl&ots=k1iktpUO3O&sig=ZiSxpBGsox-ca2Fn529wVfwv0E0&hl=en&ei=ud0AS8TpBIjSsQOJveyHCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=water%20albedo%20angle%20of%20incidence&f=false

It states that at latitudes higher than 60 degrees north or south, increased cloudiness results in a DECREASE in albedo, but doesn’t give specific numbers.

Considering that stormier and windier weather -> more whitecaps-> a higher surface albedo and cooler temperatures, how could AGWers ever have argued that global warming would lead to more hurricanes? Hadn’t they considered the negative albedo feedback?

By: hunter

hunter — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:08:44 +0000

Hey Skipper,
That is very interesting. I would like to be able to use that in a few discussions. Do you have any links for that?