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		<title>By: oakgeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakgeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darth Geoff:

Nice summary.  I would add that bureaucracies tend to promote the cognitively dissonant in the belief that they are team players (which, I suppose, they are), thus reinforcing this mindset.  Now if they could only promote the bureaucratically dissonant, maybe we&#039;ld be getting somewhere.  A little intellectual subversion is good for the soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darth Geoff:</p>
<p>Nice summary.  I would add that bureaucracies tend to promote the cognitively dissonant in the belief that they are team players (which, I suppose, they are), thus reinforcing this mindset.  Now if they could only promote the bureaucratically dissonant, maybe we&#8217;ld be getting somewhere.  A little intellectual subversion is good for the soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/take-a-deep-breath.html/comment-page-1#comment-5263</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this was not a suppressed study, but it does show quite clearly that the EPA has an agenda and will not tolerate dissent.  SOP for the Alarmists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this was not a suppressed study, but it does show quite clearly that the EPA has an agenda and will not tolerate dissent.  SOP for the Alarmists.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/take-a-deep-breath.html/comment-page-1#comment-5262</link>
		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm.....the non-censorship of Hansen by the prior Administration has been turned into a celebrated example of the wickedness of government censorship, even though it did not happen. Heck, Hansen even sold the movie rights to his non-censorship. And Hansen is still telling people the Earth is going to go Venus and roast away.
But a guy writes a memo based on science, who is apparently not insane, and it is suppressed, and we are unreasonable for getting upset about it?
Suppression of this memo is part of the issue framing to justify cap-n-trade, the biggest tax increase in world history that will do nothing for the climate, energy or jobs, except to make things worse.
I think raising heck until the roof shakes is about the right position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..the non-censorship of Hansen by the prior Administration has been turned into a celebrated example of the wickedness of government censorship, even though it did not happen. Heck, Hansen even sold the movie rights to his non-censorship. And Hansen is still telling people the Earth is going to go Venus and roast away.<br />
But a guy writes a memo based on science, who is apparently not insane, and it is suppressed, and we are unreasonable for getting upset about it?<br />
Suppression of this memo is part of the issue framing to justify cap-n-trade, the biggest tax increase in world history that will do nothing for the climate, energy or jobs, except to make things worse.<br />
I think raising heck until the roof shakes is about the right position.</p>
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		<title>By: Martel Firing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martel Firing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 02:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual your observatons are calm and well phrased.  Perhaps we do react vigorously to evidence of government incompetence and misdeads.

In this regard, I&#039;d like to point out that Mr. Carlin&#039;s memo was dated March 2009.  There should have been time to consider its contents.  The biggest point Mr. Carlin was trying to make was that a lot of science had been published between the time of the last IPCC study and the current congressional votes -- yet the EPA had not, in his opinion, taken the later work into account.

But I guess it&#039;s good enough for government work?  That&#039;s why we should not trust the government with anything important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual your observatons are calm and well phrased.  Perhaps we do react vigorously to evidence of government incompetence and misdeads.</p>
<p>In this regard, I&#8217;d like to point out that Mr. Carlin&#8217;s memo was dated March 2009.  There should have been time to consider its contents.  The biggest point Mr. Carlin was trying to make was that a lot of science had been published between the time of the last IPCC study and the current congressional votes &#8212; yet the EPA had not, in his opinion, taken the later work into account.</p>
<p>But I guess it&#8217;s good enough for government work?  That&#8217;s why we should not trust the government with anything important.</p>
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		<title>By: Darth Geoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darth Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say the expression you&#039;re after is cognitive dissonance. This is the mental process whereby you reconcile what you believe with the evidence in front of you. All humans suffer from it. For example, most of us have a belief we can walk to the shops without being hit by a car despite knowing that it happens all the time. We &quot;believe&quot; it won&#039;t happen to us. If we didn&#039;t construct beliefs like this, we would never leave the house. The most obvious and widespread example is religious people who use cognitive dissonance to support their faiths, despite having no evidence to back it up apart from some old books and what their parents told them.

In your example, an employee has to make a choice between leaving their job and creating financial hardship for themselves and their family, or believing whatever the organisation believes. This is very simple because virtually every topic has something you can believe in without seriously compromising your other beliefs.

Politically, the phenomenon is called &quot;going native&quot;. This is when you believe that your organization&#039;s interests are paramount, and that you automatically see everything from the organisation&#039;s point of view. For example, this happens to virtually everybody that goes into government. No matter how revolutionary someone is before they enter the political system, once they get there, their master becomes the political system itself.

This explains why so many organisations continue to exist even when their goals have been reached. The IPCC and EU are the biggest examples. They now exist only to keep existing, because too many people rely on them to earn a living. Neither of them serve any useful purpose, and however much the people who work there might privately think that, they will continue to invent new things for the organisations to do. But those people are not being deliberately dishonest, they are just suffering from normal human cognitive dissonance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say the expression you&#8217;re after is cognitive dissonance. This is the mental process whereby you reconcile what you believe with the evidence in front of you. All humans suffer from it. For example, most of us have a belief we can walk to the shops without being hit by a car despite knowing that it happens all the time. We &#8220;believe&#8221; it won&#8217;t happen to us. If we didn&#8217;t construct beliefs like this, we would never leave the house. The most obvious and widespread example is religious people who use cognitive dissonance to support their faiths, despite having no evidence to back it up apart from some old books and what their parents told them.</p>
<p>In your example, an employee has to make a choice between leaving their job and creating financial hardship for themselves and their family, or believing whatever the organisation believes. This is very simple because virtually every topic has something you can believe in without seriously compromising your other beliefs.</p>
<p>Politically, the phenomenon is called &#8220;going native&#8221;. This is when you believe that your organization&#8217;s interests are paramount, and that you automatically see everything from the organisation&#8217;s point of view. For example, this happens to virtually everybody that goes into government. No matter how revolutionary someone is before they enter the political system, once they get there, their master becomes the political system itself.</p>
<p>This explains why so many organisations continue to exist even when their goals have been reached. The IPCC and EU are the biggest examples. They now exist only to keep existing, because too many people rely on them to earn a living. Neither of them serve any useful purpose, and however much the people who work there might privately think that, they will continue to invent new things for the organisations to do. But those people are not being deliberately dishonest, they are just suffering from normal human cognitive dissonance.</p>
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		<title>By: Klockarman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klockarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I appologize, but I don’t really have the words for this and I don’t know the language of psychology.   There is a certain type of person who comes to believe, really believe, their boss’s position on an issue.  We often chalk this up from the outside to brown-nosing or an “Eddie Haskell” effect where people fake their beliefs, but I don’t think this is always true.  I think there is some sort of human mental defense mechanism that people have a tendency to actually adopt (not just fake) the beliefs of those in power over them.&gt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s called Stockholm Syndrome, which you&#039;re likely familiar with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Although it typically is associated with hostages, I could see that it could also apply to employees in some circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I appologize, but I don’t really have the words for this and I don’t know the language of psychology.   There is a certain type of person who comes to believe, really believe, their boss’s position on an issue.  We often chalk this up from the outside to brown-nosing or an “Eddie Haskell” effect where people fake their beliefs, but I don’t think this is always true.  I think there is some sort of human mental defense mechanism that people have a tendency to actually adopt (not just fake) the beliefs of those in power over them.&gt;/blockquote&gt;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called Stockholm Syndrome, which you&#8217;re likely familiar with.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome</a></p>
<p>Although it typically is associated with hostages, I could see that it could also apply to employees in some circumstances.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Reaganite Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reaganite Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama claimed that the average American would not bear the brunt of this historic tax-increase: he stated that instead ““It is paid for by the polluters who currently emit dangerous carbon emissions.”

Just compare this outrageous falsehood to Ronald Reagans’ famous quote:

“The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us.

Business doesn’t pay taxes, and who better than business to make this message known? Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business.”

And after the way the rammed this through the House with little debate, without legislators even reading it… and while quarantining the GOP from any meaningful input whatsoever, any foolhardy individuals who still believe Obama’s threadbare “bipartisanship” spiel ought to have their head examined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama claimed that the average American would not bear the brunt of this historic tax-increase: he stated that instead ““It is paid for by the polluters who currently emit dangerous carbon emissions.”</p>
<p>Just compare this outrageous falsehood to Ronald Reagans’ famous quote:</p>
<p>“The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us.</p>
<p>Business doesn’t pay taxes, and who better than business to make this message known? Only people pay taxes, and people pay as consumers every tax that is assessed against a business.”</p>
<p>And after the way the rammed this through the House with little debate, without legislators even reading it… and while quarantining the GOP from any meaningful input whatsoever, any foolhardy individuals who still believe Obama’s threadbare “bipartisanship” spiel ought to have their head examined.</p>
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