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		<title>By: Roger McEvilly</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5245</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger McEvilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a serious question concerning climate warming in the last few hundred years, that has been unable to be refuted at various global warming websites. It appears to explain a great deal about T trends, and concerns heat lag effects following a peak of solar activity in the mid 20 century:

1) Average daily heat lags are around 2 hours after peak solar incoming rays (about 2-3pm, after a peak around noon). This relates to a lag around 20-25% of total time of warming from dawn.
2) Average annual highest T occurs about 6 weeks after the longest day of the year, again around 20-25% of total warming trend since the winter solstice.

My question is: when this 20-25% is applied to the total warming trend of the sun from around 1750-1950, suggests a lag heat effect of T of around 40-60 years, peaking around the early 2000s, which is exactly what is observed.

This seems to me a simple and powerful explanation of the entire solar warming trend, inclduing the T flattening that is currently occurring, withouth needing to invoke C02.

Also, the lag effect of 40-60 years after peak solar activity shows more warming in the latter 20th century in the northern hemisphere, which is expected since there is less ocean in the northern hemisphere.

Also, from this model, predictions can be made over the next 20 years, at least, since the sun has now waned slightly

1) Northern hemisphere should not warm much over the next 20 years (well below IPCC forecasts). Current T flattening suggests ocean-land equilibrium has been reached in the northern hemisphere.
2) Southern hemisphere T may continue to warm slightly, since the larger area of ocean may still exhibit a heat lag effect.
3) Overall T should not increase much over the next few decades, if the sun is dominating climate change since ~1750-2000s.

Note also: flattening of T around the 1950-70s relates to absorption by the oceans, paralleling a flattened, sustained peak in solar activity. Lag heat then kicked in from the 1980s-2000s. This heat lag effect should be now, largely over.

I have never seen this conceptual model mentioned or debated, that is:

that the lag heat effect in the latter 20th century relates to the ENTIRE warming trend of solar activity since ~1750-1950, ie, the total area under the curve of rising solar activity since 1750, ( and including flatenned solar activity since 1950), and not short term solar activity peaks and troughs, as depicted in various research papers (eg Usoskin 2005, Haigh 2003 etc).

This model could explain much, including why many global warming websites point to the period 1978-1998 as being unexplanable by flattened solar activity, withouth examining the longer term heat lag effect on earth of about 40-60 years, from the ENTIRE warming trend from ~1750-1950.

Could a serious scientists have a look at this. Every day on earth this time lag of 20-25% occurs, in average daily peak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a serious question concerning climate warming in the last few hundred years, that has been unable to be refuted at various global warming websites. It appears to explain a great deal about T trends, and concerns heat lag effects following a peak of solar activity in the mid 20 century:</p>
<p>1) Average daily heat lags are around 2 hours after peak solar incoming rays (about 2-3pm, after a peak around noon). This relates to a lag around 20-25% of total time of warming from dawn.<br />
2) Average annual highest T occurs about 6 weeks after the longest day of the year, again around 20-25% of total warming trend since the winter solstice.</p>
<p>My question is: when this 20-25% is applied to the total warming trend of the sun from around 1750-1950, suggests a lag heat effect of T of around 40-60 years, peaking around the early 2000s, which is exactly what is observed.</p>
<p>This seems to me a simple and powerful explanation of the entire solar warming trend, inclduing the T flattening that is currently occurring, withouth needing to invoke C02.</p>
<p>Also, the lag effect of 40-60 years after peak solar activity shows more warming in the latter 20th century in the northern hemisphere, which is expected since there is less ocean in the northern hemisphere.</p>
<p>Also, from this model, predictions can be made over the next 20 years, at least, since the sun has now waned slightly</p>
<p>1) Northern hemisphere should not warm much over the next 20 years (well below IPCC forecasts). Current T flattening suggests ocean-land equilibrium has been reached in the northern hemisphere.<br />
2) Southern hemisphere T may continue to warm slightly, since the larger area of ocean may still exhibit a heat lag effect.<br />
3) Overall T should not increase much over the next few decades, if the sun is dominating climate change since ~1750-2000s.</p>
<p>Note also: flattening of T around the 1950-70s relates to absorption by the oceans, paralleling a flattened, sustained peak in solar activity. Lag heat then kicked in from the 1980s-2000s. This heat lag effect should be now, largely over.</p>
<p>I have never seen this conceptual model mentioned or debated, that is:</p>
<p>that the lag heat effect in the latter 20th century relates to the ENTIRE warming trend of solar activity since ~1750-1950, ie, the total area under the curve of rising solar activity since 1750, ( and including flatenned solar activity since 1950), and not short term solar activity peaks and troughs, as depicted in various research papers (eg Usoskin 2005, Haigh 2003 etc).</p>
<p>This model could explain much, including why many global warming websites point to the period 1978-1998 as being unexplanable by flattened solar activity, withouth examining the longer term heat lag effect on earth of about 40-60 years, from the ENTIRE warming trend from ~1750-1950.</p>
<p>Could a serious scientists have a look at this. Every day on earth this time lag of 20-25% occurs, in average daily peak</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5095</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that is is generally adopted.
(Schopenhauer , Die Kunst Recht zu Behalten )
 
For a erudite appraisal may I commend An Appeal to Reason
A Cool Look at Global Warming  2008 Nigel Lawson Former UK Chancellor Of the Exchequer and Secretary of State for Energy. ISBN 978-0-7156-3786-9 (UK)  978-1-5902-0084-1 (US)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no opinion, however absurd, which men will not readily embrace as soon as they can be brought to the conviction that is is generally adopted.<br />
(Schopenhauer , Die Kunst Recht zu Behalten )</p>
<p>For a erudite appraisal may I commend An Appeal to Reason<br />
A Cool Look at Global Warming  2008 Nigel Lawson Former UK Chancellor Of the Exchequer and Secretary of State for Energy. ISBN 978-0-7156-3786-9 (UK)  978-1-5902-0084-1 (US)</p>
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		<title>By: DBartel</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5085</link>
		<dc:creator>DBartel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it certainly was!

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6189</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it certainly was!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6189" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6189</a></p>
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		<title>By: DBartel</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>DBartel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linky Linky!

There is no link to the Climate Audit article... which would be nice. Of course... it probably takes less effort to search for it than write this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linky Linky!</p>
<p>There is no link to the Climate Audit article&#8230; which would be nice. Of course&#8230; it probably takes less effort to search for it than write this post.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5079</link>
		<dc:creator>hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGW is dumbing down science, and rather badly.
This coral issue is an example of how, if every answer to every question is &quot;AGW&quot;, then many questions are not really researched very deeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGW is dumbing down science, and rather badly.<br />
This coral issue is an example of how, if every answer to every question is &#8220;AGW&#8221;, then many questions are not really researched very deeply.</p>
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		<title>By: C3H Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5077</link>
		<dc:creator>C3H Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Steve&#039;s post on this Sunday but was not quite sure what he was getting at. Your explanation makes it clear what Steve discovered and the significance of it. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Steve&#8217;s post on this Sunday but was not quite sure what he was getting at. Your explanation makes it clear what Steve discovered and the significance of it. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/06/how-to-manufacture-the-trend-you-want.html/comment-page-1#comment-5073</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assume fraud.  This is about politics.  Remember, the hockey stick was produced in response to an e-mail request that &quot;we have to get rid of the MWP&quot;.  We haven&#039;t gotten an honest presentation of the facts on a political issue in decades.  Pick an issue and note that the pitch is just one lie after another -- health care, global warming, the &quot;stimulus&quot; bill, gitmo torture, quagmire in Iraq, &quot;jobless&quot; recovery, tax cuts for the rich, women &quot;earn only 70 cents&quot;, 3 million homeless, etc, etc, etc. -- the hits just keep on coming.

Why should global warming propaganda be any different than the presentation for every other political issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assume fraud.  This is about politics.  Remember, the hockey stick was produced in response to an e-mail request that &#8220;we have to get rid of the MWP&#8221;.  We haven&#8217;t gotten an honest presentation of the facts on a political issue in decades.  Pick an issue and note that the pitch is just one lie after another &#8212; health care, global warming, the &#8220;stimulus&#8221; bill, gitmo torture, quagmire in Iraq, &#8220;jobless&#8221; recovery, tax cuts for the rich, women &#8220;earn only 70 cents&#8221;, 3 million homeless, etc, etc, etc. &#8212; the hits just keep on coming.</p>
<p>Why should global warming propaganda be any different than the presentation for every other political issue?</p>
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