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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/04/seriously.html/comment-page-1#comment-4810</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think could re-post this, except in English? :)
All kidding aside though, I am no expert on the topic so I&#039;m wondering if someone could water down what he is trying to say here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think could re-post this, except in English? <img src='http://www.climate-skeptic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
All kidding aside though, I am no expert on the topic so I&#8217;m wondering if someone could water down what he is trying to say here?</p>
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		<title>By: Another guy named Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/04/seriously.html/comment-page-1#comment-4796</link>
		<dc:creator>Another guy named Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be interested to see how well their stalagmite data correlates to tree rings in the immediate environs.

My thought is that it seems to me that both processes are driven at least as much by amount of rainfall and atmospheric CO2 content as by temperature.  It would be begging the question to assume that high CO2 correlates to high temperature in the proxy measurement, then turn around and use that measure to determine that a temperature trend is caused by CO2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to see how well their stalagmite data correlates to tree rings in the immediate environs.</p>
<p>My thought is that it seems to me that both processes are driven at least as much by amount of rainfall and atmospheric CO2 content as by temperature.  It would be begging the question to assume that high CO2 correlates to high temperature in the proxy measurement, then turn around and use that measure to determine that a temperature trend is caused by CO2.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/04/seriously.html/comment-page-1#comment-4785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems it would be a lot easier to create a model for the growth of a stalagmite that is reasonable than for the entire climate system of Earth.  Of course, even in the case of the stalagmite it would be still nothing more than an educated best effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems it would be a lot easier to create a model for the growth of a stalagmite that is reasonable than for the entire climate system of Earth.  Of course, even in the case of the stalagmite it would be still nothing more than an educated best effort.</p>
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		<title>By: NukemHill</title>
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		<dc:creator>NukemHill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This band width was signal was normalized and the trend removed by fitting an order 2 polynomial trend line to the band width data.&lt;/i&gt;

The only thing I can think of (and it&#039;s been years since I&#039;ve delved into this level of mathematics, so I may simply be talking out of my ass on this) is that an &quot;order 2 polynomial&quot; would be based on the cross-sectional area of the cone (i.e., r^2--makes it 2nd order).  They&#039;d have to make some guesses and approximations, but maybe they&#039;ve found a polynomial that does fit.

Of course, they could have just as easily found a 2nd degree polynomial that forces the data to fit their preconceived conclusions, so there you go.  Without seeing the details (raw data, algorithms, mathematical justifications for certain modeling assumptions, etc.), there&#039;s no way to know what is really happening behind the scenes.

But we should just trust them.  They know what they&#039;re doing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This band width was signal was normalized and the trend removed by fitting an order 2 polynomial trend line to the band width data.</i></p>
<p>The only thing I can think of (and it&#8217;s been years since I&#8217;ve delved into this level of mathematics, so I may simply be talking out of my ass on this) is that an &#8220;order 2 polynomial&#8221; would be based on the cross-sectional area of the cone (i.e., r^2&#8211;makes it 2nd order).  They&#8217;d have to make some guesses and approximations, but maybe they&#8217;ve found a polynomial that does fit.</p>
<p>Of course, they could have just as easily found a 2nd degree polynomial that forces the data to fit their preconceived conclusions, so there you go.  Without seeing the details (raw data, algorithms, mathematical justifications for certain modeling assumptions, etc.), there&#8217;s no way to know what is really happening behind the scenes.</p>
<p>But we should just trust them.  They know what they&#8217;re doing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stalagmite growth.  tree rings.  what else?  straws.  as in... grasping at straws.  

C&#039;mon already.  quit making unprovable assumptions in theoretical mathematical models and passing this junk off as &quot;science&quot;.

It isn&#039;t science anyway.  It&#039;s computer model backmasking and it just isn&#039;t &quot;settled&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stalagmite growth.  tree rings.  what else?  straws.  as in&#8230; grasping at straws.  </p>
<p>C&#8217;mon already.  quit making unprovable assumptions in theoretical mathematical models and passing this junk off as &#8220;science&#8221;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t science anyway.  It&#8217;s computer model backmasking and it just isn&#8217;t &#8220;settled&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2009/04/seriously.html/comment-page-1#comment-4776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When has a lack of understanding the data stopped global warming alarmists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When has a lack of understanding the data stopped global warming alarmists?</p>
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