Comments on: Numbers Divorced from Reality

By: Jim

Jim — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:18:09 +0000

Is Monckton’s chart of long wave radiation measurement vs. model mislabeled? Shouldn’t the model be the red line and the measurement black? (This is on page 18.) Gotta love the paper, BTW!!

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/markey_and_barton_letter.pdf

By: Ed Fargler

Ed Fargler — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:56:51 +0000

Slightly off topic, but perhaps someone here can help me out. My questions are in regards to data and modeling. From what I know about weather phenomenon, they are directly observable and yet not 100% predictable. Climate is described through data gathered daily and from geological record.

So this leads to the questions: If weather is a non-linear chaotic phenomenon, does it stand that climate is non-linear? If so, aren’t the predictive capabilities of a climate model severly limited even if it’s output is range bound?

By: George Tobin

George Tobin — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:15:07 +0000

1) Is there a difference between men’s and women’s shoe size trends? — manufacturer’s probably adjusted size definitions for women over time because it is pleasing for women to think they have a more petite shoe size. At least the shoe companies did not go back and Hansenize historical sales records to make current average shoes seem larger than the past…

2) I don’t know why anybody bothers to defend Mann. All the smoke and mirrors just to arbitrarily weight the ‘right’ data and wipe out the ‘wrong’ data and then declare a mathematically established trend. It’s like a butcher who uses a long stick instead of his thumb on the scales. What a waste. And as you already eloquently explained in an earlier post, if the earth’s climate were really that flat and staple for that that long, it kinda contradicts the absurdly highly sensitivity measure required to support AGW Doomsday scenarios so why defend the hockey stick at all?

By: Tom Fuller

Tom Fuller — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:30:03 +0000

I think your (and your co-bloggers’) messages are starting to hit home. I’m a liberal Democrat and read the major liberal blogs–and it’s eerie that for the past 5 days nobody is writing about climate change or global catastrophe. Believe me, that hasn’t happened for a while. If it’s a coincidence, it’s a strange one. More here: http://newsfan.typepad.co.uk/liberals_can_be_skeptics_/2009/04/day-5-of-our-climate-held-hostage.html

By: Jeff Id

Jeff Id — Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:24:26 +0000

Nice analogy,

This represents exactly my own experience with Mann08. Looking at what happened to the data to support a conclusion it was amazing the lengths they went to.

You could add the option of chopping the ends of the divergent shrinking shoe size data and pasting on the ends from the increasing shoe size sets with methods so confusing even the experts can’t figure out the meaning. Mann 08 did that to 90% of the data series.