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		<title>By: cfdman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3362</link>
		<dc:creator>cfdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RJP,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Your protests are like your intellect, vapid and moronic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJP,</p>
<p>Your protests are like your intellect, vapid and moronic.</p>
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		<title>By: RPJ</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>RPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cdfman - as I told you before, this company does not even write climate models, they write weather models.  There is a major difference.  And they say &lt;b&gt;nothing&lt;/b&gt; about having ever written financial risk models.  You must be just entirely misunderstanding what they are saying.  You should stop beating this dead horse, because you&#039;re really making yourself like a complete idiot.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cdfman &#8211; as I told you before, this company does not even write climate models, they write weather models.  There is a major difference.  And they say <b>nothing</b> about having ever written financial risk models.  You must be just entirely misunderstanding what they are saying.  You should stop beating this dead horse, because you&#8217;re really making yourself like a complete idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: cfdman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3360</link>
		<dc:creator>cfdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.aer.com/products/scast.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;RJP,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please find attached link, that was the first choice by searching Google for &quot;climate model, AER, scast&quot; (as I said it would be).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I understand how difficult Google is to use, its perfectly understandable that you were unable to find this info.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the link, you will find a climate modeling company touting their success in writing fanancial risk models as a reason why you should trust their climate models.  Due to the fact that this is the point of this entire thread, I am sure you will see how relevant it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;NOT&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>RJP,</p>
<p>Please find attached link, that was the first choice by searching Google for &#8220;climate model, AER, scast&#8221; (as I said it would be).</p>
<p>I understand how difficult Google is to use, its perfectly understandable that you were unable to find this info.</p>
<p>In the link, you will find a climate modeling company touting their success in writing fanancial risk models as a reason why you should trust their climate models.  Due to the fact that this is the point of this entire thread, I am sure you will see how relevant it is.</p>
<p>NOT</p>
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		<title>By: RPJ</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3359</link>
		<dc:creator>RPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cdfman - you showed no link between climate modellers and financial modellers.  aer.com appear not to have ever been responsible for either financial or climate models.  You are not making a lot of sense here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Michael - I&#039;m not sure it follows either.  I&#039;m not sure there is a single discipline in modern science which does not at some stage make use of highly complex computer models, and I find the attempt to slur a science by means of spurious comparison to a non-science quite preposterous.  It is like saying that climate models must be wrong because Windows crashes sometimes.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cdfman &#8211; you showed no link between climate modellers and financial modellers.  aer.com appear not to have ever been responsible for either financial or climate models.  You are not making a lot of sense here.</p>
<p>Michael &#8211; I&#8217;m not sure it follows either.  I&#8217;m not sure there is a single discipline in modern science which does not at some stage make use of highly complex computer models, and I find the attempt to slur a science by means of spurious comparison to a non-science quite preposterous.  It is like saying that climate models must be wrong because Windows crashes sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3358</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RPJ-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even without the remark about Al Gore, I think the post still implies that the failure of the financial models casts doubt on the value of all computer models.  I&#039;m not so sure that follows.&lt;br /&gt;
And the failure of the financial models may have been more a function of how they were used than a problem with the models themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RPJ-</p>
<p>Even without the remark about Al Gore, I think the post still implies that the failure of the financial models casts doubt on the value of all computer models.  I&#8217;m not so sure that follows.<br />
And the failure of the financial models may have been more a function of how they were used than a problem with the models themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: cfdman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3357</link>
		<dc:creator>cfdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;You mention a link but you&#039;ve given no links&quot;: I gave you the quote, the company name and the product name. I brought the information directly to this forum becuase you routinely spout crap at others who only provide links. The next time you&#039;ll bitch because you were provided a link and you wanted the information directly.  The fact that you never went and looked at &quot;AER&quot;&#039;s website is not my problem, I brought the relevant info here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;You quoted some text from a weather forecasting company&#039;s website, and it has not become any clearer with time why you thought this quote showed that there was any kind of link between climate models and financial risk models&quot;  Its not clear becuase your stupid.  The company that makes the climate modeling software touts their modeling expertise in the fancial risk modeling field as a reason why you should buy their climate modeling software.  It said that right in the quote I provided, and in many other places on their website.  If you cant see what this has to do with this post, you are a moron. This thread is based on the notion that Al gore engages in this behavior.  But since I have shown that the climate modelers themselves do this, whether or not AL does it is irrelevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You must just be pretending to be stupid and forget what you have been arguing all along.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You mention a link but you&#8217;ve given no links&#8221;: I gave you the quote, the company name and the product name. I brought the information directly to this forum becuase you routinely spout crap at others who only provide links. The next time you&#8217;ll bitch because you were provided a link and you wanted the information directly.  The fact that you never went and looked at &#8220;AER&#8221;&#8217;s website is not my problem, I brought the relevant info here.</p>
<p>&#8220;You quoted some text from a weather forecasting company&#8217;s website, and it has not become any clearer with time why you thought this quote showed that there was any kind of link between climate models and financial risk models&#8221;  Its not clear becuase your stupid.  The company that makes the climate modeling software touts their modeling expertise in the fancial risk modeling field as a reason why you should buy their climate modeling software.  It said that right in the quote I provided, and in many other places on their website.  If you cant see what this has to do with this post, you are a moron. This thread is based on the notion that Al gore engages in this behavior.  But since I have shown that the climate modelers themselves do this, whether or not AL does it is irrelevant.</p>
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<p>You must just be pretending to be stupid and forget what you have been arguing all along.</p>
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		<title>By: RPJ</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3356</link>
		<dc:creator>RPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You mention a link but you&#039;ve given no links.  You quoted some text from a weather forecasting company&#039;s website, and it has not become any clearer with time why you thought this quote showed that there was any kind of link between climate models and financial risk models.  The link you seem to think exist doesn&#039;t exist.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention a link but you&#8217;ve given no links.  You quoted some text from a weather forecasting company&#8217;s website, and it has not become any clearer with time why you thought this quote showed that there was any kind of link between climate models and financial risk models.  The link you seem to think exist doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: cfdman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3355</link>
		<dc:creator>cfdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have already agreed that I was unable to find that Al had claimed to see the conncetion, only that the connection actually exists.  It may be (as you have already noted) that Al has never touted the success of financial models.  At least I have been unable to find anything that helps with this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My link simply shows that climate models are created by modelers who had previously written financial risk models.  And that the companies themselves tout the success of their previously written financial models as an argument as to why a users should trust their climate models.  I gave up being able to prove that Al was ever aware of this connection or ever said anything about it.  I simply showed that it was true regardless of what Al had said.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I felt this was a more useful avenue of discussion.  But you have consistently failed to properly characterize the proof I provided.  I pointed out more than a dozen posts ago that Al may have never said anything about fanancial models, but that the connection is still valid without Al&#039;s help or knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already agreed that I was unable to find that Al had claimed to see the conncetion, only that the connection actually exists.  It may be (as you have already noted) that Al has never touted the success of financial models.  At least I have been unable to find anything that helps with this.</p>
<p>My link simply shows that climate models are created by modelers who had previously written financial risk models.  And that the companies themselves tout the success of their previously written financial models as an argument as to why a users should trust their climate models.  I gave up being able to prove that Al was ever aware of this connection or ever said anything about it.  I simply showed that it was true regardless of what Al had said.</p>
<p>I felt this was a more useful avenue of discussion.  But you have consistently failed to properly characterize the proof I provided.  I pointed out more than a dozen posts ago that Al may have never said anything about fanancial models, but that the connection is still valid without Al&#8217;s help or knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: RPJ</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3354</link>
		<dc:creator>RPJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re a little hard of comprehension, cdfman.  The original post claimed that Al Gore had &#039;&lt;i&gt;touted the &quot;success&quot; of [financial] models as a reason to feel confident that computer models can accurately predict long-term climate trends&lt;/i&gt;&#039;.  Nothing you&#039;ve said provides any backing for that claim.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re a little hard of comprehension, cdfman.  The original post claimed that Al Gore had &#8216;<i>touted the &#8220;success&#8221; of [financial] models as a reason to feel confident that computer models can accurately predict long-term climate trends</i>&#8216;.  Nothing you&#8217;ve said provides any backing for that claim.</p>
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		<title>By: cfdman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/10/when-computer-m.html/comment-page-1#comment-3353</link>
		<dc:creator>cfdman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;not true, I provided a link between climate models and financial risk models.  I also pointed out that Al did not have to even be aware of the link for it to be relevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I knew you did not read my posts....&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not true, I provided a link between climate models and financial risk models.  I also pointed out that Al did not have to even be aware of the link for it to be relevant.</p>
<p>I knew you did not read my posts&#8230;.</p>
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