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		<title>By: AllenC</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2988</link>
		<dc:creator>AllenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually it took him three years because he had to wait for the ice to clear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/peopleevents/pandeAMEX87.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it took him three years because he had to wait for the ice to clear.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/peopleevents/pandeAMEX87.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/ice/peopleevents/pandeAMEX87.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2987</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lurker, it took him 3 years, because he parked his boat for 2 years to take magnetic observations. In 1905 he made the crossing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.mnc.net/norway/Amundsen.htm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In 1944 the Canadian Mounted Police Boat St Roch sailed the Northwest Passage in 86 days. That was their second crossing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker, it took him 3 years, because he parked his boat for 2 years to take magnetic observations. In 1905 he made the crossing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mnc.net/norway/Amundsen.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.mnc.net/norway/Amundsen.htm</a></p>
<p>In 1944 the Canadian Mounted Police Boat St Roch sailed the Northwest Passage in 86 days. That was their second crossing.</p>
<p><a href="http://hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm" rel="nofollow">http://hnsa.org/ships/stroch.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2986</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;AllenC - what do you think that people think of you?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Random Lurker - it took him three years.  It was a major feat of endurance and exploration.  Had you really not investigated?  Why ask questions that are incredibly easy to answer for yourself?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AllenC &#8211; what do you think that people think of you?</p>
<p>Random Lurker &#8211; it took him three years.  It was a major feat of endurance and exploration.  Had you really not investigated?  Why ask questions that are incredibly easy to answer for yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Random Lurker</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2985</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t Roald Amundsen negotiate the North West Passage in about 1903?  What was causing the ice to melt so far back then?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Roald Amundsen negotiate the North West Passage in about 1903?  What was causing the ice to melt so far back then?</p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2984</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank You, Allen C. Now I can take my crack pipe and go to my friend&#039;s barn and have fun with a 4 legged strawberry.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You, Allen C. Now I can take my crack pipe and go to my friend&#8217;s barn and have fun with a 4 legged strawberry.</p>
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		<title>By: AllenC</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2983</link>
		<dc:creator>AllenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scientist,&lt;br /&gt;
You win.  No more posts from me.  Yours is the absolute revealed truth about AGW.  Keep up the good work.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientist,<br />
You win.  No more posts from me.  Yours is the absolute revealed truth about AGW.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: AllenC</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>AllenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scientist,&lt;br /&gt;
Do you actually read these posts?  People are making fun of you. They think you&#039;re nuts, not scientific&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientist,<br />
Do you actually read these posts?  People are making fun of you. They think you&#8217;re nuts, not scientific</p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2981</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I, for one, have no problem whatsoever with the regular kind of abuse you get here - you earn every keystroke of it&lt;/i&gt; - how?  I only give back what I get.  I only ever respond in kind.  I only reflect what is already here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;My point was that the particular post to which I was refering was WAY over the line&lt;/i&gt; - please do tell us where the line is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In contrast, the trend since 1975 has gone down&lt;/i&gt; - Keith, you have shown that you are mathematically inept before, and you&#039;ve done it again now.  The trend over the whole data period was 0.00028 per cent per month.  The trend since 1975 was 0.0022 per cent per month.  Look again at those numbers.  Count the zeroes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;AllenC - where in Hansen 1988, exactly, were the predictions that you referred to when you said &quot;&lt;i&gt;all the AGW predictions have come true. All species of plants and animals are now extinct. I went outside yesterday and my skin all burned off. I was going to visit NY City but found out it was underwater. I&#039;m tired of stepping over the dead bodies of the hoards who have died of horrible tropical diseases. Life&#039;s hideous with AGW in full swing.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I, for one, have no problem whatsoever with the regular kind of abuse you get here &#8211; you earn every keystroke of it</i> &#8211; how?  I only give back what I get.  I only ever respond in kind.  I only reflect what is already here.</p>
<p><i>My point was that the particular post to which I was refering was WAY over the line</i> &#8211; please do tell us where the line is.</p>
<p><i>In contrast, the trend since 1975 has gone down</i> &#8211; Keith, you have shown that you are mathematically inept before, and you&#8217;ve done it again now.  The trend over the whole data period was 0.00028 per cent per month.  The trend since 1975 was 0.0022 per cent per month.  Look again at those numbers.  Count the zeroes.</p>
<p>AllenC &#8211; where in Hansen 1988, exactly, were the predictions that you referred to when you said &#8220;<i>all the AGW predictions have come true. All species of plants and animals are now extinct. I went outside yesterday and my skin all burned off. I was going to visit NY City but found out it was underwater. I&#8217;m tired of stepping over the dead bodies of the hoards who have died of horrible tropical diseases. Life&#8217;s hideous with AGW in full swing.</i>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/no-trend-in-dro.html/comment-page-1#comment-2980</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Point us to the papers which made the predictions you seem to think were made, AllenC.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How about James Hansens predictions in 1988? Do those count? Becuase it turns out he was very wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSEN.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3354&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or some from the IPCC:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTYwMjRiZjJhMmUxYWE2MmQ0NDZhOGM0M2Q3ZWUzMmE&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Point us to the papers which made the predictions you seem to think were made, AllenC.&#8221;</p>
<p>How about James Hansens predictions in 1988? Do those count? Becuase it turns out he was very wrong.</p>
<p><a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSEN.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/HANSEN.JPG</a><br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3354" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3354</a></p>
<p>Or some from the IPCC:</p>
<p><a href="http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTYwMjRiZjJhMmUxYWE2MmQ0NDZhOGM0M2Q3ZWUzMmE" rel="nofollow">http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTYwMjRiZjJhMmUxYWE2MmQ0NDZhOGM0M2Q3ZWUzMmE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To quote Scientist - &lt;i&gt;&quot;And you really should check the data before you make claims about it. Funny how an &#039;obviously cyclical phenomenon&#039; can have an upward trend of +0.0028±0.0007% per month over the whole data period. If there is no acceleration, how come the trend since 1975 has been 0.022±0.003% per month?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actually, Scientist, your trend analysis says there has been upward trend of between 21 and 35 millionths over a one hundred eight year span, which translated to roughly one additional flood or drought every two to five years.  In contrast, the trend since 1975 has gone down to 19 to 25 millionths, pushing the incidence of additional natural weather disaster down to closer to that five year number.  Since this is usually cited as the beginning of the &quot;global warming&quot; era, that would seem to say to me that global warming is good because it decreases floods and droughts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, these charts do not take into account human land use patterns during this time.  It is possible that some of the floods being reported now are occurring in areas without extensive human habitation earlier in the historic period.  It is possible that a similar flood might not have been reported as there was no one living in the area one hundred years ago.  And we have been deforesting some areas that previously had old growth forest that might have contributed to a better rain pattern in an area that is now suffering drought type conditions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Scientist &#8211; <i>&#8220;And you really should check the data before you make claims about it. Funny how an &#8216;obviously cyclical phenomenon&#8217; can have an upward trend of +0.0028±0.0007% per month over the whole data period. If there is no acceleration, how come the trend since 1975 has been 0.022±0.003% per month?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, Scientist, your trend analysis says there has been upward trend of between 21 and 35 millionths over a one hundred eight year span, which translated to roughly one additional flood or drought every two to five years.  In contrast, the trend since 1975 has gone down to 19 to 25 millionths, pushing the incidence of additional natural weather disaster down to closer to that five year number.  Since this is usually cited as the beginning of the &#8220;global warming&#8221; era, that would seem to say to me that global warming is good because it decreases floods and droughts.</p>
<p>Of course, these charts do not take into account human land use patterns during this time.  It is possible that some of the floods being reported now are occurring in areas without extensive human habitation earlier in the historic period.  It is possible that a similar flood might not have been reported as there was no one living in the area one hundred years ago.  And we have been deforesting some areas that previously had old growth forest that might have contributed to a better rain pattern in an area that is now suffering drought type conditions.</p>
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