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		<title>By: eadler</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2718</link>
		<dc:creator>eadler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It is pretty clear to me that the GHG&#039;s are causing heat to be added to the earth. I haven&#039;t heard an alternative hypothesis that fits the most telling data - &lt;br /&gt;
The stratosphere has cooled by 1Deg C.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2007/dec_stratosphere.gif&lt;br /&gt;
while the earth&#039;s surface has warmed. &lt;br /&gt;
This simple fact indicates that the top of the atmosphere is radiating less heat into space than it used to, and the bottom of the atmosphere is warmer.&lt;br /&gt;
The only way that this can happen is if the atmosphere is providing more insulation from heat loss from the surface than it did earlier - i.e. the so called greenhouse effect has increased.&lt;br /&gt;
If the so called skeptics have an alternative hypothesis that explains this phenomenon, I am open to it, as a scientist, but I haven&#039;t heard one yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty clear to me that the GHG&#8217;s are causing heat to be added to the earth. I haven&#8217;t heard an alternative hypothesis that fits the most telling data &#8211; <br />
The stratosphere has cooled by 1Deg C.<br />
<a href="http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2007/dec_stratosphere.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/2007/dec_stratosphere.gif</a><br />
while the earth&#8217;s surface has warmed. <br />
This simple fact indicates that the top of the atmosphere is radiating less heat into space than it used to, and the bottom of the atmosphere is warmer.<br />
The only way that this can happen is if the atmosphere is providing more insulation from heat loss from the surface than it did earlier &#8211; i.e. the so called greenhouse effect has increased.<br />
If the so called skeptics have an alternative hypothesis that explains this phenomenon, I am open to it, as a scientist, but I haven&#8217;t heard one yet.</p>
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		<title>By: EarthScientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator>EarthScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When the resident scientist here wakes up from his/her stupor with all of the graphs and measurements ad infinitum,he/she will not ever state such things as Human caused global warming.&lt;br /&gt;
Cmon guys,even the old ice cores show the periodicities of high carbon from warming periods 1000 years ago.&lt;br /&gt;
The universe works different than you assume,and yet you folks are so emotionally connected to all of your assumptions,you have no ability to step out of your box long enough to see the grid system in process and the physical evidence of its process.&lt;br /&gt;
The grid is revved so much from energetic components visiting us that cruise in every 1050 years (This particular perodicity) that at my house alone with a medium node nearby,I can from time to time when conditions ar right see the cymatic wagon wheel of cumulus clouds forming and staying in its geometry right in front of all of you folks zeroing in on the Latte&#039; shop instead of observing the revv periods.&lt;br /&gt;
The rainbows reach the ground with the revv up and they always jump from node to node as they propagate and travel with the aether cloud /moisture balance that allows their physical eye manifestation of the gases frequencies they represent. They always form in the same areas as they are a node short.&lt;br /&gt;
The hills and eskers are simply weakening from aether entering the ground at that node point and the magma pushes up from below and a hill is formed.&lt;br /&gt;
Magma heating from the revv has been up for many years as this periodic event has been with us and ebbs and flows,just to create trouble for your models,and it surely seems to be working.&lt;br /&gt;
A simple grid scientist such as myself can show anyone the science of the grid.&lt;br /&gt;
Egyptian and all other Pyramids are ground field instruments,Cheops rings in the key of &quot;A&quot; ,Science has gone so far backwards when no one except a grid scientist can clear up those pesky little problems with all of your modeling,goofy mathematical assumptions and the like over the carbohydrates in the atmosphere.&lt;br /&gt;
We do not want all of the carbon in the atmosphere either,it of course reduces the high ozone that assists with its protective field. &lt;br /&gt;
There are cymatic &quot;Rings&quot; about 4 thousand feet thick at the 48 and 96 on up level to assist the planet in keeping its gases in and we do not like the jets flying through these levels putting holes in the frequency shield that takes time to re-propagate and causes loss of gases.&lt;br /&gt;
We do not like the jets eating up the ozone at all and are in favor of a train system with jets only allowed for over ocean travel.&lt;br /&gt;
The science is on our side,and your refusal to even seek out proper information would create your discharge from any science tasking if I had my way,and boy oh boy arent you lucky I cant send you home to your junior chemistry set in your basements.&lt;br /&gt;
You folks are creating such an economic and military problem on this planet that you should be sanctioned from all government assisting in their policies.&lt;br /&gt;
The political folks do not have a clue and they count on science folks to provide proper process,so the responsibility to seek out proper science before you open your mouths and scream and take the publics money has not happened,The AGW bunch is the damndest conundrum. And you still do not seek anything beyond your favorite science person trained within the same jungle that has no exit for you,its your fault,it just is.&lt;br /&gt;
The reason I state that is the fact that information has been avilable for anyone who seeks it and compiles their files of information and observation,so there is no excuse,not one.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the resident scientist here wakes up from his/her stupor with all of the graphs and measurements ad infinitum,he/she will not ever state such things as Human caused global warming.<br />
Cmon guys,even the old ice cores show the periodicities of high carbon from warming periods 1000 years ago.<br />
The universe works different than you assume,and yet you folks are so emotionally connected to all of your assumptions,you have no ability to step out of your box long enough to see the grid system in process and the physical evidence of its process.<br />
The grid is revved so much from energetic components visiting us that cruise in every 1050 years (This particular perodicity) that at my house alone with a medium node nearby,I can from time to time when conditions ar right see the cymatic wagon wheel of cumulus clouds forming and staying in its geometry right in front of all of you folks zeroing in on the Latte&#8217; shop instead of observing the revv periods.<br />
The rainbows reach the ground with the revv up and they always jump from node to node as they propagate and travel with the aether cloud /moisture balance that allows their physical eye manifestation of the gases frequencies they represent. They always form in the same areas as they are a node short.<br />
The hills and eskers are simply weakening from aether entering the ground at that node point and the magma pushes up from below and a hill is formed.<br />
Magma heating from the revv has been up for many years as this periodic event has been with us and ebbs and flows,just to create trouble for your models,and it surely seems to be working.<br />
A simple grid scientist such as myself can show anyone the science of the grid.<br />
Egyptian and all other Pyramids are ground field instruments,Cheops rings in the key of &#8220;A&#8221; ,Science has gone so far backwards when no one except a grid scientist can clear up those pesky little problems with all of your modeling,goofy mathematical assumptions and the like over the carbohydrates in the atmosphere.<br />
We do not want all of the carbon in the atmosphere either,it of course reduces the high ozone that assists with its protective field. <br />
There are cymatic &#8220;Rings&#8221; about 4 thousand feet thick at the 48 and 96 on up level to assist the planet in keeping its gases in and we do not like the jets flying through these levels putting holes in the frequency shield that takes time to re-propagate and causes loss of gases.<br />
We do not like the jets eating up the ozone at all and are in favor of a train system with jets only allowed for over ocean travel.<br />
The science is on our side,and your refusal to even seek out proper information would create your discharge from any science tasking if I had my way,and boy oh boy arent you lucky I cant send you home to your junior chemistry set in your basements.<br />
You folks are creating such an economic and military problem on this planet that you should be sanctioned from all government assisting in their policies.<br />
The political folks do not have a clue and they count on science folks to provide proper process,so the responsibility to seek out proper science before you open your mouths and scream and take the publics money has not happened,The AGW bunch is the damndest conundrum. And you still do not seek anything beyond your favorite science person trained within the same jungle that has no exit for you,its your fault,it just is.<br />
The reason I state that is the fact that information has been avilable for anyone who seeks it and compiles their files of information and observation,so there is no excuse,not one.</p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2716</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dodgy Geezer - in a complex science, do not expect anyone to have gone out of their way to provide you with a clear simple example of what you demand.  What kind of &#039;simple experiment&#039; do you imagine could prove that &#039;AGW is correct&#039;?  It&#039;s a little bit more complicated than that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To claim that &#039;&lt;i&gt;no one seems to have&lt;/i&gt;&#039; tested any predictions is really very silly.  Like any other science, the whole point of climate science is to come up with a framework within which to understand what is being studied.  How do you think that happens without any predictions ever having been tested?  I&#039;ll tell you just a few of the most important specific predictions that climate scientists have made while developing our understanding of the climate system that have been borne out:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that if more CO2 was added to the atmosphere, surface temperatures would rise&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that if CO2 was added at a rate of 1-2ppm/year, the surface temperature would rise by about 0.2°C/decade&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that if CO2 was added to the atmosphere, the stratosphere would cool&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that globally, the Arctic would respond most quickly and the Antarctic most slowly to increasing CO2&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;that if there was a sudden injection of aerosols into the atmosphere, then there would be a sharp but short-lived cooling&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Obviously, there are plenty more examples.  Really, if you think that climate science has not been all about constructing theories which make testable predictions, and then testing those predictions, then you haven&#039;t made any effort at all to understand how climate science works.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dodgy Geezer &#8211; in a complex science, do not expect anyone to have gone out of their way to provide you with a clear simple example of what you demand.  What kind of &#8216;simple experiment&#8217; do you imagine could prove that &#8216;AGW is correct&#8217;?  It&#8217;s a little bit more complicated than that.</p>
<p>To claim that &#8216;<i>no one seems to have</i>&#8216; tested any predictions is really very silly.  Like any other science, the whole point of climate science is to come up with a framework within which to understand what is being studied.  How do you think that happens without any predictions ever having been tested?  I&#8217;ll tell you just a few of the most important specific predictions that climate scientists have made while developing our understanding of the climate system that have been borne out:</p>
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<li>that if more CO2 was added to the atmosphere, surface temperatures would rise</li>
<li>that if CO2 was added at a rate of 1-2ppm/year, the surface temperature would rise by about 0.2°C/decade</li>
<li>that if CO2 was added to the atmosphere, the stratosphere would cool</li>
<li>that globally, the Arctic would respond most quickly and the Antarctic most slowly to increasing CO2</li>
<li>that if there was a sudden injection of aerosols into the atmosphere, then there would be a sharp but short-lived cooling</li>
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<p>Obviously, there are plenty more examples.  Really, if you think that climate science has not been all about constructing theories which make testable predictions, and then testing those predictions, then you haven&#8217;t made any effort at all to understand how climate science works.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodgy Geezer</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2715</link>
		<dc:creator>Dodgy Geezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A scientist! I&#039;ve been meaning to ask a scientist about Global Warming.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You see, Popper said that the critical feature about scientific knowledge, as opposed to other forms, was that scientists activly sought to falsify their hypotheses. For other forms of knowledge it was reasonable to assert something to be true - for science you had to consider what might prove your hypothesis wrong, and then go out and look for that. Only if your theory survived your own attempts to prove it wrong could you claim that it was strong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I&#039;ve asked AGW supporters what attempts they have made to prove their hypothesis wrong, and none have ever answered me. What I was looking for was a clear simple experiment which would clearly test a prediction made which could only occur if AGW were correct. But no one seems to have done this. As a scientist, perhaps you could help me find such an experiment?  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A scientist! I&#8217;ve been meaning to ask a scientist about Global Warming.</p>
<p>You see, Popper said that the critical feature about scientific knowledge, as opposed to other forms, was that scientists activly sought to falsify their hypotheses. For other forms of knowledge it was reasonable to assert something to be true &#8211; for science you had to consider what might prove your hypothesis wrong, and then go out and look for that. Only if your theory survived your own attempts to prove it wrong could you claim that it was strong.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ve asked AGW supporters what attempts they have made to prove their hypothesis wrong, and none have ever answered me. What I was looking for was a clear simple experiment which would clearly test a prediction made which could only occur if AGW were correct. But no one seems to have done this. As a scientist, perhaps you could help me find such an experiment?  </p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2714</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Larry G. - I entirely agree with you.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry G. &#8211; I entirely agree with you.</p>
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		<title>By: john m</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/08/its-co2-because.html/comment-page-1#comment-2713</link>
		<dc:creator>john m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So I&#039;m still waiting for someone to explain what a climate scientist means when he says:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;We&#039;re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history],&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Is that a testable statement or not?  Is it a statement that a reasonable person would interpret as being from a scientist who &quot;predicted that the north pole would be ice free now.&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m still waiting for someone to explain what a climate scientist means when he says:</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re actually projecting this year that the North Pole may be free of ice for the first time [in history],&#8221; </p>
<p>Is that a testable statement or not?  Is it a statement that a reasonable person would interpret as being from a scientist who &#8220;predicted that the north pole would be ice free now.&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;If I say that Lewis Hamilton has a 50-50 chance of winning the European Grand Prix, and he doesn&#039;t, was I right or was I wrong?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Statistics and probabilities apply ONLY to the set of outcomes from a large number of trials.  The result of a single trial is meaningless, since the result can neither validate nor invalidate a statistical prediction.  Let&#039;s all agree to correctly use the language of statistics when making or assessing these climate predictions.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, a climate scientist might predict that, &quot;Over the next 10 years, there is a 50% probability that the Arctic ice will melt completely in any particular summer&quot;.  Then we can observe the degree of ice melt over a 10-year period, and assess the validity of the prediction (to a specific level of confidence, if we assume a Gaussian distribution).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yes, it would be quite helpful if the science writers at respected newspapers took an introductory course in the terminology of statistics, so the science writers could insist that predictions (quotes by climate scientists) conform to this terminology.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I say that Lewis Hamilton has a 50-50 chance of winning the European Grand Prix, and he doesn&#8217;t, was I right or was I wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>Statistics and probabilities apply ONLY to the set of outcomes from a large number of trials.  The result of a single trial is meaningless, since the result can neither validate nor invalidate a statistical prediction.  Let&#8217;s all agree to correctly use the language of statistics when making or assessing these climate predictions.  </p>
<p>For example, a climate scientist might predict that, &#8220;Over the next 10 years, there is a 50% probability that the Arctic ice will melt completely in any particular summer&#8221;.  Then we can observe the degree of ice melt over a 10-year period, and assess the validity of the prediction (to a specific level of confidence, if we assume a Gaussian distribution).</p>
<p>And yes, it would be quite helpful if the science writers at respected newspapers took an introductory course in the terminology of statistics, so the science writers could insist that predictions (quotes by climate scientists) conform to this terminology.</p></p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ho ho.  Good satire, Fred.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To all the people who don&#039;t understand how odds work, or who are deliberately misunderstanding scientists because they are ideologically committed to stupidity, please consider this question again: if I say that Lewis Hamilton has a 50-50 chance of winning the European Grand Prix, and he doesn&#039;t, was I right or was I wrong?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ho ho.  Good satire, Fred.</p>
<p>To all the people who don&#8217;t understand how odds work, or who are deliberately misunderstanding scientists because they are ideologically committed to stupidity, please consider this question again: if I say that Lewis Hamilton has a 50-50 chance of winning the European Grand Prix, and he doesn&#8217;t, was I right or was I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred from Canuckistan . . .</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred from Canuckistan . . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;2. You and Daniel both suffer from the classic climate idiot belief that you can measure climate change over six years. You can&#039;t.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just like you can&#039;t take a 30 year period like 1970-2000 and measure &quot;climate change&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Believers of the Great Church of WARMongering believe it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Al Gore believes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The International Environmental Industry has flogged it into the most successful fund raising scheme they have ever invented to remove money from the pockets of those who want to buy some indulgences for their guilt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But all is well. You can Believe the Models, or you can believe the data, but you can&#039;t believe both.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m gonna trust the data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My advice - buy some long underwear &#039;cause its getting cold and it is going to get colder.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;2. You and Daniel both suffer from the classic climate idiot belief that you can measure climate change over six years. You can&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just like you can&#8217;t take a 30 year period like 1970-2000 and measure &#8220;climate change&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Believers of the Great Church of WARMongering believe it.</p>
<p>Al Gore believes.</p>
<p>The International Environmental Industry has flogged it into the most successful fund raising scheme they have ever invented to remove money from the pockets of those who want to buy some indulgences for their guilt.</p>
<p>But all is well. You can Believe the Models, or you can believe the data, but you can&#8217;t believe both.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m gonna trust the data.</p>
<p>My advice &#8211; buy some long underwear &#8217;cause its getting cold and it is going to get colder.</p>
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		<title>By: Headless Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Headless Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It may not be a coincidence that the introduction of catalytic converters and smokestack scrubbers coincides with the start of alarming global warming.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s the sulfur, stupid.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not be a coincidence that the introduction of catalytic converters and smokestack scrubbers coincides with the start of alarming global warming.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the sulfur, stupid.</p>
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