Comments on: Why Congress Likes Cap and Trade http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:51:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: jep, Kansas USA http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1953 jep, Kansas USA Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:52:19 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1953 <p>If carbon credits were good enough for Enron, they should be good enough for us. Imagine -- I can move my factory to China and also get carbon credits to sell. </p> If carbon credits were good enough for Enron, they should be good enough for us. Imagine — I can move my factory to China and also get carbon credits to sell.

]]> By: Mike http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1952 Mike Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:58:17 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1952 <p>Over 3 Trillion for Boxer BS. I assume that is money adjusted to current year dollars in the projection to 2050.</p> <p>3 trillion would buy in a much shorter period of time 750 or more nuclear power plants. I'm sure no one on Boxer's team would like to compare these fresh apples to their rotten oranges...</p> Over 3 Trillion for Boxer BS. I assume that is money adjusted to current year dollars in the projection to 2050.

3 trillion would buy in a much shorter period of time 750 or more nuclear power plants. I’m sure no one on Boxer’s team would like to compare these fresh apples to their rotten oranges…

]]> By: William http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1951 William Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:35:39 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1951 <p>"Carbon Credits" are a snake oil salesman's dream!<br /> <br /> Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can’t afford to play on Gore’s terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.</p> <p>So "carbon credits" and "global warming" go hand in hand. A means to an end. Its that simple greed and a loss of individual freedom.</p> <p> Gore pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM)http://www.generationim.com/ - and if you’re looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with Gore, think again - average people are too insignificant to play, but for $11,000 you can invest in the oil futures market and help drive up the price of oil artificially.<br /> http://storyreportscomments.blogspot.com/2008/05/covering-their-losses.html</p> <p>http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/02/al-gores-inconvenient-truth/</p> <p>Carbon credits and "global warming" which is natural and not caused or controlled by man are a scam and a hoax that congress and the mass media are selling to the public. The public is buying it and thinking it is sonething that exists. If you tell the public a lie enough they start to believe it despite the real facts. </p> “Carbon Credits” are a snake oil salesman’s dream!

Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can’t afford to play on Gore’s terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.

So “carbon credits” and “global warming” go hand in hand. A means to an end. Its that simple greed and a loss of individual freedom.

Gore pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management (GIM)http://www.generationim.com/ – and if you’re looking to go green, and have your wallet go along with Gore, think again – average people are too insignificant to play, but for $11,000 you can invest in the oil futures market and help drive up the price of oil artificially.
http://storyreportscomments.blogspot.com/2008/05/covering-their-losses.html

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/03/02/al-gores-inconvenient-truth/

Carbon credits and “global warming” which is natural and not caused or controlled by man are a scam and a hoax that congress and the mass media are selling to the public. The public is buying it and thinking it is sonething that exists. If you tell the public a lie enough they start to believe it despite the real facts.

]]> By: Bill http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1950 Bill Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:13:00 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1950 <p>There is no need for congress to pass any kind of tax including the crazy carbon tax as you suggest. Global warming or climate change does occur but because of the warming of the earth by the sun. It is crazy to think otherwise or to say man controls the climate more than the sun. Man also<br /> does not affect the weather as it is claimed by poeple who are wanting to change the way we live and turn us into a socialist country.<br /> Read the facts here: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/</p> There is no need for congress to pass any kind of tax including the crazy carbon tax as you suggest. Global warming or climate change does occur but because of the warming of the earth by the sun. It is crazy to think otherwise or to say man controls the climate more than the sun. Man also
does not affect the weather as it is claimed by poeple who are wanting to change the way we live and turn us into a socialist country.
Read the facts here: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

]]> By: Bill http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1949 Bill Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:11:13 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1949 <p>There is no need for congress to pass any kind of tax including the crazy carbon tax as you suggest. Global warming or climate change does occur but because of the warming of the earth by the sun. It is crazy to think otherwise or to say man controls the climate more than the sun. Man also<br /> does not affect the weather as it is claimed by poeple who are wanting to change the way we live and turn us into a socialist country.<br /> Read the facts here: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/</p> There is no need for congress to pass any kind of tax including the crazy carbon tax as you suggest. Global warming or climate change does occur but because of the warming of the earth by the sun. It is crazy to think otherwise or to say man controls the climate more than the sun. Man also
does not affect the weather as it is claimed by poeple who are wanting to change the way we live and turn us into a socialist country.
Read the facts here: http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

]]> By: morganovich http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1948 morganovich Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:51:34 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1948 <p>and, of course the other big discussion will be who gets the "allowances" that essentially amount to free carbon licenses. if history is any guide, they will go to big constituents like utilities, steel plants etc.</p> <p>oh, and wait for the folks who produce "carbon offsets" to get into the market. the loggers are dying to turn the trees they currently pay to replant (in order to have a business in the future) into a profit center where they get paid to offset carbon by doing something they were doing anyway.</p> and, of course the other big discussion will be who gets the “allowances” that essentially amount to free carbon licenses. if history is any guide, they will go to big constituents like utilities, steel plants etc.

oh, and wait for the folks who produce “carbon offsets” to get into the market. the loggers are dying to turn the trees they currently pay to replant (in order to have a business in the future) into a profit center where they get paid to offset carbon by doing something they were doing anyway.

]]> By: Curt http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/06/why-congress-li.html/comment-page-1#comment-1947 Curt Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:24:37 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/06/why-congress-li.html#comment-1947 <p>This is reminding me of the "Corporate Average Fuel Economy" (CAFE) standards enacted in the 1970s with the aim of reducing vehicle oil consumption. By virtually outlawing large cars like station wagons, it created the SUV market as a significant market segment. (Lots of people claim that it failed to stop the SUV market from growing, but virtually no one realizes the active role it played in expanding the market.)</p> <p>The political dynamic was the same as now -- a tax would have been a lot more effective in achieving these goals, but politicians could not bear to create an explicit tax bill for consumers/voters.</p> <p>Interestingly, Europe, which has gotten better results in terms of keeping automative fuel consumption down with high taxes, is now proposing to repeat the American mistake of effectively banning large cars.</p> This is reminding me of the “Corporate Average Fuel Economy” (CAFE) standards enacted in the 1970s with the aim of reducing vehicle oil consumption. By virtually outlawing large cars like station wagons, it created the SUV market as a significant market segment. (Lots of people claim that it failed to stop the SUV market from growing, but virtually no one realizes the active role it played in expanding the market.)

The political dynamic was the same as now — a tax would have been a lot more effective in achieving these goals, but politicians could not bear to create an explicit tax bill for consumers/voters.

Interestingly, Europe, which has gotten better results in terms of keeping automative fuel consumption down with high taxes, is now proposing to repeat the American mistake of effectively banning large cars.

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