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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/where-did-that.html/comment-page-1#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>bill-tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The cold will win the argument no matter how they fake the data. Eventually even the dumbest will realize it&#039;s a hoax ... pay more taxes and government will pretend to control the weather ... the perfect scam.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looks like the English have got it pegged.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cold will win the argument no matter how they fake the data. Eventually even the dumbest will realize it&#8217;s a hoax &#8230; pay more taxes and government will pretend to control the weather &#8230; the perfect scam.</p>
<p>Looks like the English have got it pegged.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fin</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/where-did-that.html/comment-page-1#comment-1615</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whoever controls the temperature records controls the climate.  If you can change the temperature records to suit your own models, you can create your own climate--in the minds of dumbed down journalists and the public.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Back in the 90s, VP Al Gore took a personal interest in NASA.  I well knew that Gore&#039;s interference set back the next-gen shuttle by over a decade, and that he diverted many millions of $$ from the ISS to Russia--which Russia spent on a new generation of more accurate ICBMs.  I never thought to think what influence Mr. Gore was having on the part of NASA that dealt with climate.  Now, I think I know.&lt;br /&gt;
;-)&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoever controls the temperature records controls the climate.  If you can change the temperature records to suit your own models, you can create your own climate&#8211;in the minds of dumbed down journalists and the public.</p>
<p>Back in the 90s, VP Al Gore took a personal interest in NASA.  I well knew that Gore&#8217;s interference set back the next-gen shuttle by over a decade, and that he diverted many millions of $$ from the ISS to Russia&#8211;which Russia spent on a new generation of more accurate ICBMs.  I never thought to think what influence Mr. Gore was having on the part of NASA that dealt with climate.  Now, I think I know.<br /> <img src='http://www.climate-movie.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maurizio Morabito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurizio Morabito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Warren: you may be already familiar with this, but your statement &lt;i&gt;&quot;global&quot; warming seems to be limited in the last 30 years to the Northen Hemisphere outside the tropics&lt;/i&gt; is oddly consistent with my findings about the IPCC-reported climate-related changes &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/global-warming-may-be-just-european/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Global Warming may just be European&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren: you may be already familiar with this, but your statement <i>&#8220;global&#8221; warming seems to be limited in the last 30 years to the Northen Hemisphere outside the tropics</i> is oddly consistent with my findings about the IPCC-reported climate-related changes <i><a href="http://omniclimate.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/global-warming-may-be-just-european/" rel="nofollow">Global Warming may just be European</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Warming in Antarctica overstated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warming in Antarctica overstated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seen this?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Computer analyses of global climate have consistently overstated warming in Antarctica&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080507132855.htm&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen this?</p>
<p>&#8220;Computer analyses of global climate have consistently overstated warming in Antarctica&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080507132855.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080507132855.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Luis Dias</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/where-did-that.html/comment-page-1#comment-1612</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis Dias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with mbabbitt. It&#039;s a very interesting comment. There are a lot of problems with the IPCC forecasts, even giving GW for granted:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1. I sincerely doubt the chart of carbon usage for the century. It&#039;s way over the top, we will almost deplete fossil fuels long before 2100, and yet they trace it as it would forever grow up for centuries. It&#039;s not real. Peak Oil will hit long before 2040, some people even think it is happening now. Peak Coal will be a reality in a few decades more. Perhaps 2030, perhaps 2050. Still, the numbers just don&#039;t add up.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2. IPCC forecasts that the economy woes due to GW would be equal to 5% of GDP of 2100. Let that sink in in your minds. 5%. That&#039;s it. What&#039;s the proposed alternative? Nuke the economy. God, ain&#039;t that a great advice!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with mbabbitt. It&#8217;s a very interesting comment. There are a lot of problems with the IPCC forecasts, even giving GW for granted:</p>
<p>1. I sincerely doubt the chart of carbon usage for the century. It&#8217;s way over the top, we will almost deplete fossil fuels long before 2100, and yet they trace it as it would forever grow up for centuries. It&#8217;s not real. Peak Oil will hit long before 2040, some people even think it is happening now. Peak Coal will be a reality in a few decades more. Perhaps 2030, perhaps 2050. Still, the numbers just don&#8217;t add up.</p>
<p>2. IPCC forecasts that the economy woes due to GW would be equal to 5% of GDP of 2100. Let that sink in in your minds. 5%. That&#8217;s it. What&#8217;s the proposed alternative? Nuke the economy. God, ain&#8217;t that a great advice!</p>
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		<title>By: kuhnkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuhnkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Morganovich:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The allegations about Soros and Hansen are here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/26/nasa-s-hansen-mentioned-soros-foundations-annual-report&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morganovich:</p>
<p>The allegations about Soros and Hansen are here:</p>
<p><a href="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/26/nasa-s-hansen-mentioned-soros-foundations-annual-report" rel="nofollow">http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/26/nasa-s-hansen-mentioned-soros-foundations-annual-report</a></p>
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		<title>By: mbabbitt</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/where-did-that.html/comment-page-1#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>mbabbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And just think about the possibilities even if accepting a global warming trend. When making a prediction with chaotic/innumerable-variable systems. one must always be aware of the statement: &quot;If current trends continue...&quot;. Current trends never continue. Either some other variable or set of variable enters into the equation or -- in human related systems -- people adapt to the change and neutralize the effects (like building a sea wall). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the other hand, what if in 2025 or so, we experienced globally a series of massive and closely spaced volcanic activity that put up aerosols that were equal to several Mt Pinatubo&#039;s? There could theorectically be a massive cooling for a short time; it could be a short but devastating cooling; then all of the projected warming might seen as a saving grace. My point is that we do not know the future, not even close; and to look at any temperature trend in black and white terms is a sign of hubris and plain stupidity. If the planet was obviously heating up 10 degrees C per decade that would be different. But the IPCC crowd predicts, what? 3-5 degrees C over a century, if current trends continue. I think they are all crazy and arrogant to tell the public and policy makers, who pander to the masses, that we need to cripple our economies for a potential threat that is not the end of the world and that no one really understands today,and will probably not understand for generations. They forget that only progress brings both a higher quality of human life and a cleaner environment for humans and animals -- going back to the 15th century gives us only one side of the equation.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just think about the possibilities even if accepting a global warming trend. When making a prediction with chaotic/innumerable-variable systems. one must always be aware of the statement: &#8220;If current trends continue&#8230;&#8221;. Current trends never continue. Either some other variable or set of variable enters into the equation or &#8212; in human related systems &#8212; people adapt to the change and neutralize the effects (like building a sea wall). </p>
<p>On the other hand, what if in 2025 or so, we experienced globally a series of massive and closely spaced volcanic activity that put up aerosols that were equal to several Mt Pinatubo&#8217;s? There could theorectically be a massive cooling for a short time; it could be a short but devastating cooling; then all of the projected warming might seen as a saving grace. My point is that we do not know the future, not even close; and to look at any temperature trend in black and white terms is a sign of hubris and plain stupidity. If the planet was obviously heating up 10 degrees C per decade that would be different. But the IPCC crowd predicts, what? 3-5 degrees C over a century, if current trends continue. I think they are all crazy and arrogant to tell the public and policy makers, who pander to the masses, that we need to cripple our economies for a potential threat that is not the end of the world and that no one really understands today,and will probably not understand for generations. They forget that only progress brings both a higher quality of human life and a cleaner environment for humans and animals &#8212; going back to the 15th century gives us only one side of the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;stan-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i have often heard those stories on hansen, but have never been able to confirm them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;where did you get that data?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;thanks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-m&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stan-</p>
<p>i have often heard those stories on hansen, but have never been able to confirm them.</p>
<p>where did you get that data?  </p>
<p>thanks.</p>
<p>-m</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Add another 50 grand last month from a Delaware foundation to Hansen.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<title>By: stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How rich have James Hansen and Algore gotten from all this?  I&#039;ve seen estimates that Gore&#039;s net worth has risen by over $100 million pushing global warming and he has investments which could make him much richer, if he can scare governments into mandates that benefit his companies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hansen apparently got 250 grand from John Kerry&#039;s wife and 720 grand from George Soros for pushing the global warming line.  Anyone familiar with Hansen&#039;s total haul?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How rich have James Hansen and Algore gotten from all this?  I&#8217;ve seen estimates that Gore&#8217;s net worth has risen by over $100 million pushing global warming and he has investments which could make him much richer, if he can scare governments into mandates that benefit his companies.</p>
<p>Hansen apparently got 250 grand from John Kerry&#8217;s wife and 720 grand from George Soros for pushing the global warming line.  Anyone familiar with Hansen&#8217;s total haul?</p>
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