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		<title>By: littleblackduck</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/testing-the-ipc.html/comment-page-1#comment-1801</link>
		<dc:creator>littleblackduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;...I&#039;ll even posit that those models aren&#039;t really scientific&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I saw someone post to that effect on realclimate - the person asked if there was any model or experiment they could do that was in theory falsifiable.  The reaction? They basically said that &quot;philosophy of science has advanced in the 60 years since Karl Popper, you know&quot;. Dodging the entire question like a politician, but still claiming to be &#039;real&#039; scientists. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And yet they wonder why the &#039;masses&#039; aren&#039;t yet convinced by their oh-so persuasive arguments. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I&#8217;ll even posit that those models aren&#8217;t really scientific&#8221;</p>
<p>I saw someone post to that effect on realclimate &#8211; the person asked if there was any model or experiment they could do that was in theory falsifiable.  The reaction? They basically said that &#8220;philosophy of science has advanced in the 60 years since Karl Popper, you know&#8221;. Dodging the entire question like a politician, but still claiming to be &#8216;real&#8217; scientists. </p>
<p>And yet they wonder why the &#8216;masses&#8217; aren&#8217;t yet convinced by their oh-so persuasive arguments. </p>
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		<title>By: jep, Kansas USA</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/testing-the-ipc.html/comment-page-1#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>jep, Kansas USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s always been misinformation to claim the IPCC, or anybody else who generates long-term computer climate models, creates forecasts or predictions. Long-term computer climate models produce possible scenarios, based on several &lt;i&gt;what if&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; and various assumptions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Computer climate models do not output scientific facts. I&#039;ll even posit that those models aren&#039;t really scientific, because they can&#039;t really be verified for decades and unforeseen natural variations, such as a a series of large volcanic eruptions, can&#039;t be accounted for in the models. In a true scientific experiment, one variable can be changed at a time. For world-wide climate, we can only wait and compare the various model outputs with the data as it trickles in over the years. Even then, we can&#039;t really verify if the models are correct or just appear to be correct.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always been misinformation to claim the IPCC, or anybody else who generates long-term computer climate models, creates forecasts or predictions. Long-term computer climate models produce possible scenarios, based on several <i>what if&#8217;s</i> and various assumptions.</p>
<p>Computer climate models do not output scientific facts. I&#8217;ll even posit that those models aren&#8217;t really scientific, because they can&#8217;t really be verified for decades and unforeseen natural variations, such as a a series of large volcanic eruptions, can&#8217;t be accounted for in the models. In a true scientific experiment, one variable can be changed at a time. For world-wide climate, we can only wait and compare the various model outputs with the data as it trickles in over the years. Even then, we can&#8217;t really verify if the models are correct or just appear to be correct.</p>
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		<title>By: John Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/testing-the-ipc.html/comment-page-1#comment-1799</link>
		<dc:creator>John Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When eventually it becomes clear that AGW is not coming to pass, it seems to me that Al Gore and his crowd will claim that all the &quot;hard work&quot; that they did is what reversed the course, and that they are the saviors of mankind.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And, of course, the media will willing buy in to that lie and propogate it to Joe Public.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just my little prediction.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When eventually it becomes clear that AGW is not coming to pass, it seems to me that Al Gore and his crowd will claim that all the &#8220;hard work&#8221; that they did is what reversed the course, and that they are the saviors of mankind.</p>
<p>And, of course, the media will willing buy in to that lie and propogate it to Joe Public.</p>
<p>Just my little prediction.</p>
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		<title>By: jmrSudbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmrSudbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The alarm over ocean acidification has been greatly reduced.  The original experiment did not mimic natural processes, so its results were way too high.  A recent experiment which involved bubbling the gas through salt water showed little acidification.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John M Reynolds&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The alarm over ocean acidification has been greatly reduced.  The original experiment did not mimic natural processes, so its results were way too high.  A recent experiment which involved bubbling the gas through salt water showed little acidification.</p>
<p>John M Reynolds</p>
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		<title>By: Klockarman</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/testing-the-ipc.html/comment-page-1#comment-1797</link>
		<dc:creator>Klockarman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 06:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, if anthropogenic global warming truly doesn&#039;t exist I think I&#039;ve determined Gore&#039;s and the alarmist&#039;s fall back strategy:  CO2 causes elevated acidity in the ocean harming corals and other shellfish as reported here in The Oregonian today...&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2008/05/carbon_emissions_carbonrich_wa.html&lt;br /&gt;
I posted it on it here earlier...&lt;br /&gt;
http://gorelied.blogspot.com/2008/05/get-ready-heres-way-agw-alarmists-will.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if anthropogenic global warming truly doesn&#8217;t exist I think I&#8217;ve determined Gore&#8217;s and the alarmist&#8217;s fall back strategy:  CO2 causes elevated acidity in the ocean harming corals and other shellfish as reported here in The Oregonian today&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2008/05/carbon_emissions_carbonrich_wa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2008/05/carbon_emissions_carbonrich_wa.html</a><br />
I posted it on it here earlier&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://gorelied.blogspot.com/2008/05/get-ready-heres-way-agw-alarmists-will.html" rel="nofollow">http://gorelied.blogspot.com/2008/05/get-ready-heres-way-agw-alarmists-will.html</a></p>
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