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		<title>By: littleblackduck</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1415</link>
		<dc:creator>littleblackduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How is Oreskes&#039;s paper, as you call it, really &#039;methodologically sound&#039;?  &lt;br /&gt;
I find it quite odd that in the initial paper that was published, her search terms weren&#039;t clear. According to the article, &quot;climate change&quot; was the set of keywords used, and only when others began to question the results was it corrected to &quot;global climate change&quot;. Why was &#039;global&#039; omitted to begin with? Either it was intentional, or it was erroneous. If it was intentional than there must have been a deliberate attempt to mislead, which I sincerely doubt, or it was erroneous, meaning that it wasn&#039;t held to that much scrutiny before being published. &lt;br /&gt;
That subsequent rebuttals (not just Peiser) have never been published, speaks more to me of that publication&#039;s bias than it does to the strength or weakness of any paper that has been rejected by it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for ExxonMobil, I find it highly amusing that $8 million spread out between 40 organizations (to a tune of $200K each) can somehow set the media agenda, but the 2007 annual budget for Environmental Defence at $73 million and WWF at over $160 million have no impact at all? That&#039;s not even factoring Greenpeace or the countless other groups who are also a lot more well-funded.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is Oreskes&#8217;s paper, as you call it, really &#8216;methodologically sound&#8217;?  <br />
I find it quite odd that in the initial paper that was published, her search terms weren&#8217;t clear. According to the article, &#8220;climate change&#8221; was the set of keywords used, and only when others began to question the results was it corrected to &#8220;global climate change&#8221;. Why was &#8216;global&#8217; omitted to begin with? Either it was intentional, or it was erroneous. If it was intentional than there must have been a deliberate attempt to mislead, which I sincerely doubt, or it was erroneous, meaning that it wasn&#8217;t held to that much scrutiny before being published. <br />
That subsequent rebuttals (not just Peiser) have never been published, speaks more to me of that publication&#8217;s bias than it does to the strength or weakness of any paper that has been rejected by it.</p>
<p>As for ExxonMobil, I find it highly amusing that $8 million spread out between 40 organizations (to a tune of $200K each) can somehow set the media agenda, but the 2007 annual budget for Environmental Defence at $73 million and WWF at over $160 million have no impact at all? That&#8217;s not even factoring Greenpeace or the countless other groups who are also a lot more well-funded.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1414</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jev2000</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>jev2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exxon-Mobil&#039;s biggest crime is that it doesn&#039;t pay its protection money to Greenpeace, Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth and PETA. If they would cough up the money, the vilification would stop. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exxon-Mobil&#8217;s biggest crime is that it doesn&#8217;t pay its protection money to Greenpeace, Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth and PETA. If they would cough up the money, the vilification would stop. </p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not a scientist but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a scientist but I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m starting to think Scientist is a provocateur.  For you young &#039;uns, that&#039;s what trolls were called prior to the internet.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting to think Scientist is a provocateur.  For you young &#8216;uns, that&#8217;s what trolls were called prior to the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hahahahahaha.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you&#039;re funny when you get all steamed up.  take a breath before you pop a vein.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a low number that state the obvious?  you should change your name to &quot;court jester&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a low number who make a ludicrous and unsupportable claim is more like it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and i see you have nothing to refute that the data that it oreske&#039;s work showed little explicit support from her claims and contained mostly irrelevant pieces.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;that mashey dog&#039;s breakfast never really does get at the facts, does it?  it&#039;s just a long, rambling rant about &quot;denialists&quot; and nothing like a serious discourse about survey design and results.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;nice work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you should read that stuff before you post it&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and if oreske&#039;s methods are solid, then why did they yield such perverse results when applied to 2004-7?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;schulte is an idiot for using the methods you back?  you are one mixed up guy &quot;scientist&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;what kind of scientist do you claim to be anyhow?  people ask you all the time and you never answer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;i&#039;m starting to suspect you are a psychology researcher studying the effects of nonsensical arguments and illogic used on unsuspecting internet users...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahahaha.</p>
<p>you&#8217;re funny when you get all steamed up.  take a breath before you pop a vein.</p>
<p>a low number that state the obvious?  you should change your name to &#8220;court jester&#8221;.</p>
<p>a low number who make a ludicrous and unsupportable claim is more like it.</p>
<p>and i see you have nothing to refute that the data that it oreske&#8217;s work showed little explicit support from her claims and contained mostly irrelevant pieces.</p>
<p>that mashey dog&#8217;s breakfast never really does get at the facts, does it?  it&#8217;s just a long, rambling rant about &#8220;denialists&#8221; and nothing like a serious discourse about survey design and results.</p>
<p>nice work.</p>
<p>you should read that stuff before you post it</p>
<p>and if oreske&#8217;s methods are solid, then why did they yield such perverse results when applied to 2004-7?</p>
<p>schulte is an idiot for using the methods you back?  you are one mixed up guy &#8220;scientist&#8221;.</p>
<p>what kind of scientist do you claim to be anyhow?  people ask you all the time and you never answer.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m starting to suspect you are a psychology researcher studying the effects of nonsensical arguments and illogic used on unsuspecting internet users&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KuhnKat</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>KuhnKat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scientist,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You were first to use profanities. YOU LOSE!!!!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why don&#039;t y&#039;all go and do your own review of the papers rather than trying to support known FLAWED papers just because they say what you WANT them to say?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientist,</p>
<p>You were first to use profanities. YOU LOSE!!!!</p>
<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t y&#8217;all go and do your own review of the papers rather than trying to support known FLAWED papers just because they say what you WANT them to say?</p>
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		<title>By: Scientist</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/04/wow-what-planet.html/comment-page-1#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Scientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You utter cretin.  &lt;i&gt;low number of explicit backers for AGW&lt;/i&gt; - yes, a low number of scientists that bother to state the obvious.  What a surprise eh!  The 34 abstracts allegedly defying the &#039;consensus&#039; did not do so.  Schulte&#039;s work was published in an unrecognised journal, which had previously said his work was &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/schultes-analysis-not-published-not-going-to-be&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a bit patchy and nothing new&lt;/a&gt;&#039;.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zerocarbonnow.org/wordpress//uploads/monckton_schulte_oreskes1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is a comprehensive examination of Schulte&#039;s work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Moronic 12 year olds may very well worship the ground Schulte walks on.  Oreskes&#039; work has not been refuted, her methodology was sound, and only denialist fuckwits of the very worst sort bother to try to suggest that Peiser or Schulte have anything valuable or accurate to say on this topic.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You utter cretin.  <i>low number of explicit backers for AGW</i> &#8211; yes, a low number of scientists that bother to state the obvious.  What a surprise eh!  The 34 abstracts allegedly defying the &#8216;consensus&#8217; did not do so.  Schulte&#8217;s work was published in an unrecognised journal, which had previously said his work was &#8216;<a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/schultes-analysis-not-published-not-going-to-be" rel="nofollow">a bit patchy and nothing new</a>&#8216;.  <a href="http://www.zerocarbonnow.org/wordpress//uploads/monckton_schulte_oreskes1.pdf" rel="nofollow">This</a> is a comprehensive examination of Schulte&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Moronic 12 year olds may very well worship the ground Schulte walks on.  Oreskes&#8217; work has not been refuted, her methodology was sound, and only denialist fuckwits of the very worst sort bother to try to suggest that Peiser or Schulte have anything valuable or accurate to say on this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh, and that should be 1%, not 0.1% explicit endorsement.  typo.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and that should be 1%, not 0.1% explicit endorsement.  typo.</p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and yet you refute none of the data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;most of her survey was irrelevant and her data were cherry picked and her categorization scheme was biased.  and asking a question referst ot how she determined if a paper made explicit or implicit claims etc.  scoring for such things is inherently somewhat arbitrary.  all she did was scan abstracts.  but the way in which she did it was biased.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;but this is somewhat irrelevant.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;schulte used HER system to do his work you dolt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so you are trapped:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;either you must say that her results are valid and therefore so are schulte&#039;s (as he used the same system) and accept both the low number of explicit backers for AGW in her and his studies &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;or&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you must say that the study is invalid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you don&#039;t get to use the study that suits you and not the one that doesn&#039;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;an overall breakdown of the oreskes study:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    * Of all 1117 abstracts that ought have been included using her 3 search terms, only 13 (or 0.1%) explicitly endorse the &#039;consensus view&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
* 322 abstracts (or 29%) implicitly accept the &#039;consensus view&#039; but mainly focus on impact assessments of envisaged global climate change.&lt;br /&gt;
* Less than 10% of the abstracts (89) focus on &quot;mitigation&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* 67 abstracts mainly focus on methodological questions.&lt;br /&gt;
* 87 abstracts deal exclusively with paleo-climatological research unrelated to recent climate change.&lt;br /&gt;
* 34 abstracts reject or doubt the view that human activities are the main drivers of the &quot;the observed warming over the last 50 years&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* UPDATE: among the 34 abstracts, a few of them were found that shouldn&#039;t have been included in the group. For one example, see Prometheus (search for Oreskes); the reader is recommended to look at the 34 abstracts whether this error of Peiser&#039;s analysis changes the qualitative conclusions&lt;br /&gt;
* 44 abstracts focus on natural factors of global climate change.&lt;br /&gt;
* 470 (or 42%) abstracts include the keywords &quot;global climate change&quot; but do not include any direct or indirect link or reference to human activities, CO2 or greenhouse gas emissions, let alone anthropogenic forcing of recent climate change.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;so as can be readily seen, her results do not support the conclusions about consensus that you keep claiming they do.  it really doesn&#039;t support much of anything.  science should be hideously embarrassed to have published it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and yet you refute none of the data.</p>
<p>most of her survey was irrelevant and her data were cherry picked and her categorization scheme was biased.  and asking a question referst ot how she determined if a paper made explicit or implicit claims etc.  scoring for such things is inherently somewhat arbitrary.  all she did was scan abstracts.  but the way in which she did it was biased.</p>
<p>but this is somewhat irrelevant.</p>
<p>schulte used HER system to do his work you dolt.</p>
<p>so you are trapped:</p>
<p>either you must say that her results are valid and therefore so are schulte&#8217;s (as he used the same system) and accept both the low number of explicit backers for AGW in her and his studies </p>
<p>or</p>
<p>you must say that the study is invalid.</p>
<p>you don&#8217;t get to use the study that suits you and not the one that doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>an overall breakdown of the oreskes study:</p>
<p>    * Of all 1117 abstracts that ought have been included using her 3 search terms, only 13 (or 0.1%) explicitly endorse the &#8216;consensus view&#8217;.<br />
* 322 abstracts (or 29%) implicitly accept the &#8216;consensus view&#8217; but mainly focus on impact assessments of envisaged global climate change.<br />
* Less than 10% of the abstracts (89) focus on &#8220;mitigation&#8221;.<br />
* 67 abstracts mainly focus on methodological questions.<br />
* 87 abstracts deal exclusively with paleo-climatological research unrelated to recent climate change.<br />
* 34 abstracts reject or doubt the view that human activities are the main drivers of the &#8220;the observed warming over the last 50 years&#8221;.<br />
* UPDATE: among the 34 abstracts, a few of them were found that shouldn&#8217;t have been included in the group. For one example, see Prometheus (search for Oreskes); the reader is recommended to look at the 34 abstracts whether this error of Peiser&#8217;s analysis changes the qualitative conclusions<br />
* 44 abstracts focus on natural factors of global climate change.<br />
* 470 (or 42%) abstracts include the keywords &#8220;global climate change&#8221; but do not include any direct or indirect link or reference to human activities, CO2 or greenhouse gas emissions, let alone anthropogenic forcing of recent climate change.</p>
<p>so as can be readily seen, her results do not support the conclusions about consensus that you keep claiming they do.  it really doesn&#8217;t support much of anything.  science should be hideously embarrassed to have published it.</p>
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