Comments on: I Was Wrong

By: Chris Schoneveld

Chris Schoneveld — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:59:05 +0000

MVR: With all due respect, the double negative in your “irregardless” leaves me wondering whether you know what you are talking about. More to the point, Gore didn’t present that video as an illustration only, he genuinely mislead the public by pretending it was real footage.

By: aaron

aaron — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:04:23 +0000

I understand the aversion to moderating comments, but Scienist long passed the point of being amuzing and is far into the realm of being tedious.

Lubos once did an interesting, quasi ban. Rather than banning some moron, he limiting his ability to comment to once a week or some such.

It wouldn't stiffle his opinion, and hopefully would motivate him to put something thoughtful into a comment once in a while.

By: Al Fin

Al Fin — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:47:05 +0000

Gore is indeed fiendishly clever, a master of deception. In other words, he is a true politician.

Warren, your trolls (Scientist etc.) do not sound bright enough to be real people. Do you think they are computer generated spam? Perhaps you should look into getting a better spam blocker?

Some blog owners create their own sock puppet trolls, to keep the comments lively. I'd never believe that of you, however.

By: jev2000

jev2000 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:47:01 +0000

Alan’s link provided several papers that clearly state that the Antarctice continent has cooled. Maybe Alan should have done some of the weeding, but then he would have been accused of cherry picking. Thanks Alan, there were a few papers in there that I had not seen.

By: mvr

mvr — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:40:08 +0000

I fail to see how using the particular shot from "the day after tomorrow" is deceptive. Irregardless of the particular facts you cite, I've no idea. Though my take is that something like that video can be used for illustrative purposes. Its no different from using say hand drawn sketches to communicate a point. If people are dumb enough to take that shot as proof of overall melting, they deserve to be misled as the sheeps they are (NB., not saying Gore is misleading or not, just saying that for the sake of argument).

Citing this ILLUSTRATION as a justification for denying Gore's claim seems incredibly inane. Moreover, I noticed Gore prefaced that particular shot by saying something like: "If one were to fly in a helicopter." Using the "IF" statement, imho, takes away any possible hope of debunking his work based on this his particular clip. The whole context of his statement is clearly meant to describe, on a micro level, what is happening along the coast of ice shelf.

-MVR

By: BillBodell

BillBodell — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:19:04 +0000

Actually, the best thing for the skeptical position is for “Scientist” to continue posting here.

By: morganovich

morganovich — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:40:49 +0000

nice try with the straw man, but that's not his argument. his argument is that alarmists are using a small portion of Antarctica that is not representative of the continent as a whole and using it to claim antarctic melting.

it's a continent. are some parts going to warm and some cool? very likely. but on balance, the continent is cooling.

the piece you reference shows that clearly. doran's 2002 study showed 66% of the antarctic is cooling cooling. on balance, it is gaining ice. could some ice be lost in some places, sure. but it is being added back and then some in others.

that is what the blogger is saying despite your repeated attempts to mis-characterize him. he (correctly) takes issue with using a small, unrepresentative part of the antarctic to attempt to shape opinion about the whole.

do you dispute that, taken as a whole, the antarctic is cooling, particularly the non-peninsular area?

By: Scientist

Scientist — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:01:18 +0000

Yeti - indeed.
morganovich - yes, no matter how many times our lying blogger here claims that only the peninsula is warming, that won't change reality
Alan D. McIntire - you didn't link to a paper, you linked to a google search, and realclimate don't say what you think they say.

By: Yeti

Yeti — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:34:10 +0000

Scientist, Never let the facts get in the way of a really good opinion.

By: Larry Sheldon

Larry Sheldon — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:31:32 +0000

"scientist" is a troll. The only hope of getting rid of a troll is to stop feeding it.

It is validated by the fact that it can get a response everytime it farts.

Quiety open a window, if necessary, but do not acknowledge the attack.