Comments on: Warming and Civilization http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:51:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Scientist http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-844 Scientist Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:08:59 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-844 <p>Errr... yeah. Blinding logic.</p> Errr… yeah. Blinding logic.

]]> By: AEGeneral http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-843 AEGeneral Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:45:33 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-843 <p>Scientist - of course I care. You've given me a better sense of direction on this.</p> <p>If it's well known that winter excess mortality is higher at temperate latitudes than polar ones, and it's very clear that it's not cold that kills but lack of preparation for it, then I know what I have to do. </p> <p>I've got to save these unprepared souls. If they refuse to prepare for it, then I've got to stop it from happening completely.</p> <p>I'm going to purchase an SUV. And some incandescent lightbulbs. And some baked beans.</p> <p>I will increase my carbon footprint five-fold.</p> <p>Thanks, scientist. You've really won me over with this discussion.</p> Scientist – of course I care. You’ve given me a better sense of direction on this.

If it’s well known that winter excess mortality is higher at temperate latitudes than polar ones, and it’s very clear that it’s not cold that kills but lack of preparation for it, then I know what I have to do.

I’ve got to save these unprepared souls. If they refuse to prepare for it, then I’ve got to stop it from happening completely.

I’m going to purchase an SUV. And some incandescent lightbulbs. And some baked beans.

I will increase my carbon footprint five-fold.

Thanks, scientist. You’ve really won me over with this discussion.

]]> By: Papertiger http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-842 Papertiger Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:46:04 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-842 <p>I like this angle using Yakutsk. <br /> Let's remove imported food grown in temperate climates and trucked in to feed Yakutsk. <br /> Then lets remove heating oil.<br /> Then lets remove textiles used to make that excellent winter garb the locals wrap themselves in.<br /> What do you think? Would that cut their collective carbon footprint about 80%?<br /> Now guess how that would change the death rate due to cold.</p> I like this angle using Yakutsk.
Let’s remove imported food grown in temperate climates and trucked in to feed Yakutsk.
Then lets remove heating oil.
Then lets remove textiles used to make that excellent winter garb the locals wrap themselves in.
What do you think? Would that cut their collective carbon footprint about 80%?
Now guess how that would change the death rate due to cold.

]]> By: Alan Grey http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-841 Alan Grey Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:00:51 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-841 <p>There is no inconsistency....</p> <p>Warming creates population growth, more population means bad things for the planet (e.g. More wars, death, suffering and starvation). This is what the global warming scaremongers are really trying to stop. It's the same people who have been claiming the sky is falling due to population growth that are screaming about global warming.</p> <p>The global warming schtik is just their latest way of trying to pay homage to Malthus....</p> There is no inconsistency….

Warming creates population growth, more population means bad things for the planet (e.g. More wars, death, suffering and starvation). This is what the global warming scaremongers are really trying to stop. It’s the same people who have been claiming the sky is falling due to population growth that are screaming about global warming.

The global warming schtik is just their latest way of trying to pay homage to Malthus….

]]> By: Raven http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-840 Raven Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:57:58 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-840 <p>I am always astounded on how alarmists will misrepresent the most basic facts in order push their doomsday vision.</p> <p>Cold kills more that heat. Numerous studies back that up. Here is one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4371096.stm</p> <p>Human adapt to cold to reduce the death toll. But humans can adapt to heat as well so the adaption argument is a non-argument.<br /> http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/14/few-french-fried-in-2006/<br /> </p> I am always astounded on how alarmists will misrepresent the most basic facts in order push their doomsday vision.

Cold kills more that heat. Numerous studies back that up. Here is one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4371096.stm

Human adapt to cold to reduce the death toll. But humans can adapt to heat as well so the adaption argument is a non-argument.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/14/few-french-fried-in-2006/

]]> By: Scientist http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-839 Scientist Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:31:47 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-839 <p>Who cares what the death certificate says? By that bizarre logic, you wouldn't bother wearing a helmet while cycling, or a seatbelt while driving.</p> <p>There is no such thing as dangerously cold weather, in most of the world. Yakutsk shows us that. Do you care about the consequences of global warming in parts of the world other than where you live?</p> Who cares what the death certificate says? By that bizarre logic, you wouldn’t bother wearing a helmet while cycling, or a seatbelt while driving.

There is no such thing as dangerously cold weather, in most of the world. Yakutsk shows us that. Do you care about the consequences of global warming in parts of the world other than where you live?

]]> By: AEGeneral http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-838 AEGeneral Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:51:09 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-838 <p>Scientist - I'm not prepared to die, myself; but whatever inevitably kills me, I assure you that my death certificate will cite the cause of death, not that I died from not being prepared for whatever killed me.</p> <p>But to adopt your line of thought for a moment...if it's the lack of preparation in temperate zones that kills, I'm content to increase my carbon footprint, thereby increasing temperature and decreasing instances of dangerously cold-weather -- and thus the need for preparedness in such circumstances -- in temperate zones.</p> Scientist – I’m not prepared to die, myself; but whatever inevitably kills me, I assure you that my death certificate will cite the cause of death, not that I died from not being prepared for whatever killed me.

But to adopt your line of thought for a moment…if it’s the lack of preparation in temperate zones that kills, I’m content to increase my carbon footprint, thereby increasing temperature and decreasing instances of dangerously cold-weather — and thus the need for preparedness in such circumstances — in temperate zones.

]]> By: Scientist http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-837 Scientist Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:25:05 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-837 <p>AEGeneral - well you can see by the simple fact of Yakutsk's winter excess mortality that it's not so simple as cold winter = more deaths. It's well known that winter excess mortality is higher at temperate latitudes than polar ones, so it's very clear that it's not cold that kills but lack of preparation for it.</p> <p>jep - what evidence do you have for your claim that <i>Parts of the Middle Ages were warmer than anything experienced this century or last, on average. The Little Ice Age was a horrible time to live</i>?</p> AEGeneral – well you can see by the simple fact of Yakutsk’s winter excess mortality that it’s not so simple as cold winter = more deaths. It’s well known that winter excess mortality is higher at temperate latitudes than polar ones, so it’s very clear that it’s not cold that kills but lack of preparation for it.

jep – what evidence do you have for your claim that Parts of the Middle Ages were warmer than anything experienced this century or last, on average. The Little Ice Age was a horrible time to live?

]]> By: AEGeneral http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-836 AEGeneral Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:32:23 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-836 <p>Scientist - if your intent is to dispute the correlation between warmer winter temperatures and cold-related deaths, maybe you should take the matter up with the Department of Health. The study can be found at:</p> <p><a href="http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsPolicyAndGuidance/DH_080702" rel="nofollow">link</a></p> Scientist – if your intent is to dispute the correlation between warmer winter temperatures and cold-related deaths, maybe you should take the matter up with the Department of Health. The study can be found at:

link

]]> By: jep, Kansas USA http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html/comment-page-1#comment-835 jep, Kansas USA Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:30:39 +0000 http://climate-movie.com/wordpress/2008/03/warming-and-civ.html#comment-835 <p>If people were actually educated and taught to think, they wouldn't fall prey to all sorts of scams. That's the role of public education in the United States today, to make people gullible to the latest PC trend that comes along.</p> <p>Parts of the Middle Ages were warmer than anything experienced this century or last, on average. The Little Ice Age was a horrible time to live. </p> If people were actually educated and taught to think, they wouldn’t fall prey to all sorts of scams. That’s the role of public education in the United States today, to make people gullible to the latest PC trend that comes along.

Parts of the Middle Ages were warmer than anything experienced this century or last, on average. The Little Ice Age was a horrible time to live.

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