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		<title>By: Mark A. York</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah defend the indefensible. Like imaginary nonsensical words. Regardless and regard. Those are your choices otherwise notify Webster. They could use a laugh. I&#039;ll cite www.realclimate.org and NASA. Your info is horse pucky.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah defend the indefensible. Like imaginary nonsensical words. Regardless and regard. Those are your choices otherwise notify Webster. They could use a laugh. I&#8217;ll cite <a href="http://www.realclimate.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org</a> and NASA. Your info is horse pucky.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-502</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did you know that the north pole is expected to be ice-free in summer within 100 years and possibly much sooner?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that the north pole is expected to be ice-free in summer within 100 years and possibly much sooner?</p>
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		<title>By: dreamin</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;How could melting ice and thereby reducing the albedo of the planet fail to cause further warming?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In that case, why do we have any ice caps at all?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How could melting ice and thereby reducing the albedo of the planet fail to cause further warming?&#8221;</p>
<p>In that case, why do we have any ice caps at all?</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-500</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll say again what I said before.  There is incontrovertible evidence for feedback within the climate system.  You have to ignore basic physics and a wealth of observational evidence to believe otherwise.  Some feedbacks require only simple common sense to understand.  How could melting ice and thereby reducing the albedo of the planet fail to cause further warming?  How could outgassing of CO2 from warmer oceans fail to cause further warming?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is very good evidence not only for feedbacks but also for sudden regime changes in the climate.  For example, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum saw ocean temperatures in the arctic rise to 20°C.  This dramatic climate shift led to a mass extinction and is believed to have been caused by a release of CO2 and/or methane into the atmosphere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The existence of feedbacks is extremely well-established and observationally verified.  The existence of the potential for sudden regime shifts is clear.  Your arguments are based on wrong assumptions.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say again what I said before.  There is incontrovertible evidence for feedback within the climate system.  You have to ignore basic physics and a wealth of observational evidence to believe otherwise.  Some feedbacks require only simple common sense to understand.  How could melting ice and thereby reducing the albedo of the planet fail to cause further warming?  How could outgassing of CO2 from warmer oceans fail to cause further warming?</p>
<p>There is very good evidence not only for feedbacks but also for sudden regime changes in the climate.  For example, the Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum saw ocean temperatures in the arctic rise to 20°C.  This dramatic climate shift led to a mass extinction and is believed to have been caused by a release of CO2 and/or methane into the atmosphere.</p>
<p>The existence of feedbacks is extremely well-established and observationally verified.  The existence of the potential for sudden regime shifts is clear.  Your arguments are based on wrong assumptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some good comments on feedback on the Svalgaard thread at CA&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Leif Svalgaard says:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Jack, the issue here is that it is almost dogma that the sun is the cause of the climate swings the last few thousand years [LIA, MWP, etc]. This is so because we don’t know what else could do it [certainly not man-made CO2, if we except that last 100 years]. The problem is that the latest solar data seem to indicate [and this is still controversial] that the sun varies less than what we thought just a few years ago, so if we will maintain that the sun is still the culprit, then we have to crank up significantly the sensitivity of the climate to solar forcing.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-205697&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The new solar data pretty much shreads the IPCC argument that CO2 is the only known explaination for the current warming since CO2 cannot be blamed by default until someone comes up with a credible explaination for the MWP and LIA and demonstrates that the same cause is not at work today.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My gut feel is random variations - chaotic weather patterns that vary over centuries instead of days. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good comments on feedback on the Svalgaard thread at CA</p>
<p>Leif Svalgaard says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jack, the issue here is that it is almost dogma that the sun is the cause of the climate swings the last few thousand years [LIA, MWP, etc]. This is so because we don’t know what else could do it [certainly not man-made CO2, if we except that last 100 years]. The problem is that the latest solar data seem to indicate [and this is still controversial] that the sun varies less than what we thought just a few years ago, so if we will maintain that the sun is still the culprit, then we have to crank up significantly the sensitivity of the climate to solar forcing.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-205697" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2679#comment-205697</a></p>
<p>The new solar data pretty much shreads the IPCC argument that CO2 is the only known explaination for the current warming since CO2 cannot be blamed by default until someone comes up with a credible explaination for the MWP and LIA and demonstrates that the same cause is not at work today.</p>
<p>My gut feel is random variations &#8211; chaotic weather patterns that vary over centuries instead of days. </p>
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		<title>By: dreamin</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-498</link>
		<dc:creator>dreamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve gotten into a fair number of debates on internet discussion boards about AGW.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Inevitably, the fallback position of the &quot;warmers&quot; is that (1) I&#039;m arguing against essentially all of the world&#039;s scientists; and (2) anyone on my side of the debate either has some kind of connection to the oil industry or is published in a non-peer-reviewed journal or both.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve gotten into a fair number of debates on internet discussion boards about AGW.</p>
<p>Inevitably, the fallback position of the &#8220;warmers&#8221; is that (1) I&#8217;m arguing against essentially all of the world&#8217;s scientists; and (2) anyone on my side of the debate either has some kind of connection to the oil industry or is published in a non-peer-reviewed journal or both.</p>
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		<title>By: MDM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MDM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark, you must do a lot of reading to be familiar with &quot;the work of every reputable scientist and agency on Earth.&quot;  If you&#039;re referring to the IPCC then just say so and don&#039;t exaggerate.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, you must do a lot of reading to be familiar with &#8220;the work of every reputable scientist and agency on Earth.&#8221;  If you&#8217;re referring to the IPCC then just say so and don&#8217;t exaggerate.</p>
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		<title>By: mbabbitt</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>mbabbitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mark A York: Boy, that was a stunning argument against the skeptic&#039;s view. So in-depth, so well-intentioned. No appealing to authority here. No using of ad hominem attack. What a contribution to dialogue!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By the way:&lt;br /&gt;
From Mirriam Websters: &quot;usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark A York: Boy, that was a stunning argument against the skeptic&#8217;s view. So in-depth, so well-intentioned. No appealing to authority here. No using of ad hominem attack. What a contribution to dialogue!</p>
<p>By the way:<br />
From Mirriam Websters: &#8220;usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A. York</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/01/update-to-my-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-495</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark A. York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;is that irregardless of likelihood...&quot; And this is a good non word to describe your logic path: circular. Having no regard for having no regard is having regard so you are &#039;back to one&#039; as we say on the movie set. It amazes me that any old job all who come from a particular political bent think they can dismiss the work of every reputable scientist and agency on Earth. Amazing omnipotence from ignorance!Of course you dare not discuss your differences with Dr. Mann or Schmidt as you&#039;de be dispatched quickly for well ignorance. That commodity is free though. I&#039;ll give you that much. Problem is free isn&#039;t worth much without substance.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is that irregardless of likelihood&#8230;&#8221; And this is a good non word to describe your logic path: circular. Having no regard for having no regard is having regard so you are &#8216;back to one&#8217; as we say on the movie set. It amazes me that any old job all who come from a particular political bent think they can dismiss the work of every reputable scientist and agency on Earth. Amazing omnipotence from ignorance!Of course you dare not discuss your differences with Dr. Mann or Schmidt as you&#8217;de be dispatched quickly for well ignorance. That commodity is free though. I&#8217;ll give you that much. Problem is free isn&#8217;t worth much without substance.</p>
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