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	<title>Comments on: Surface Temperature Measurement Bias</title>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/12/surface-tempera.html/comment-page-1#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would love to see a dust-up between you and realclimate.org. I haven&#039;t seen them respond directly to your work, but they do address some of your points:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- The models have been corrected to address urban heat island effects.&lt;br /&gt;
- Other measurements (e.g., satellite) also show warming&lt;br /&gt;
- While the &quot;heating precedes CO2 increases&quot; observaton does render Gore&#039;s long-term temp graphs bogus, they don&#039;t mean that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is a BBC summary of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, your point about CO2 only blocking certain frequencies is interesting, but does it really show that CO2 concentrations don&#039;t have a basically linear impact until the concentration is pretty high? Obviously no concentration would stop all reflection, and at some point, all the energy at the relevant frequences will have been absorbed, but are we close to that point? Is there any way to estimate where we are on that continuum?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for doing the incredible amount of work your project must have required!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a dust-up between you and realclimate.org. I haven&#8217;t seen them respond directly to your work, but they do address some of your points:</p>
<p>- The models have been corrected to address urban heat island effects.<br />
- Other measurements (e.g., satellite) also show warming<br />
- While the &#8220;heating precedes CO2 increases&#8221; observaton does render Gore&#8217;s long-term temp graphs bogus, they don&#8217;t mean that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas.</p>
<p>Here is a BBC summary of interest: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm</a></p>
<p>Also, your point about CO2 only blocking certain frequencies is interesting, but does it really show that CO2 concentrations don&#8217;t have a basically linear impact until the concentration is pretty high? Obviously no concentration would stop all reflection, and at some point, all the energy at the relevant frequences will have been absorbed, but are we close to that point? Is there any way to estimate where we are on that continuum?</p>
<p>Thanks for doing the incredible amount of work your project must have required!</p>
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		<title>By: lorenzo aka erudito</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/12/surface-tempera.html/comment-page-1#comment-259</link>
		<dc:creator>lorenzo aka erudito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If one takes the UN urbanisation data for 1950 to 2005 (http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/WUP2005/2005wup.htm) and the global surface temperature data (http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vgl.txt) for the same period, there is a correlation of 0.95 between the % of the population which is urbanised and measured global surface temperatures.  The correlation with measured global surface temperature with developing world urbanisation is 0.96, with developed world urbanisation, 0.87.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A natural reading of these results is that the measured global surface temperature fails to compensate for the urban heat island effect, but the more extensive developed world measurement networks are not quite so dominated by such.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one takes the UN urbanisation data for 1950 to 2005 (<a href="http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/WUP2005/2005wup.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/WUP2005/2005wup.htm</a>) and the global surface temperature data (<a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vgl.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3vgl.txt</a>) for the same period, there is a correlation of 0.95 between the % of the population which is urbanised and measured global surface temperatures.  The correlation with measured global surface temperature with developing world urbanisation is 0.96, with developed world urbanisation, 0.87.</p>
<p>A natural reading of these results is that the measured global surface temperature fails to compensate for the urban heat island effect, but the more extensive developed world measurement networks are not quite so dominated by such.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting findings. Can you cite to the IPCC report where the IPCC statement is found?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting findings. Can you cite to the IPCC report where the IPCC statement is found?</p>
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