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		<title>By: flashgordonnz</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/11/silly-climate-s.html/comment-page-1#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>flashgordonnz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe the believers are still smarting over the dihydrogen monoxide prank:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the believers are still smarting over the dihydrogen monoxide prank:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw</a></p>
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		<title>By: morganovich</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/11/silly-climate-s.html/comment-page-1#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>morganovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why do you say that most of the CO2 looks to be caused by man?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;one could just as easily argue that it has a great deal to do with warmer temperatures and oceans outgassing.  the lag of CO2 rises behind temperature increases in prior periods is quite clear in the vostok cores.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;and there is considerable reason to doubt the baseline CO2 levels apparent in vostok as the ice coers may not be a closed system.  the pressure, freezing process, and variable permeabilities of gases may be an artifact of the system and not the atmosphere.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;the long stable co2 levels shown in ice cores are contradicted by numerous direct measurements and proxies (stomatal frequency etc).  CO2 may have been quite variable over time, even recent time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chemical analysis of 90,000 direct measurements (as opposed to proxies such as ice or fossils)  performed according to well understood measurement methods by nobel prize (not the peace prize) winning scientists and published  in 175 technical papers has led to a chart that looks more like this.  (complied by Ernst-Georg Beck 2006a, 2006b, 2007) Odd that a time such as 1820, when it was dramatically colder than now should have higher CO2 levels than currently prevail.  This further throws into question the legitimacy of CO2 as the primary climate driver.  Also odd is that the IPCC would reject such direct measures in favor of ice core proxies.  Of interest, the average across this period is 335ppm&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_Co2_Chemical_Methods.pdf&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;see pages 4 and 5 for good charts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;given your skepticism of the &quot;all climate change is caused by the greenhouse&quot; argument i am surprised you are accepting the &quot;all the CO2 rise is from man&quot; argument.  i&#039;m interested to hear why you have done so.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;thanks and keep up the interesting work.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why do you say that most of the CO2 looks to be caused by man?</p>
<p>one could just as easily argue that it has a great deal to do with warmer temperatures and oceans outgassing.  the lag of CO2 rises behind temperature increases in prior periods is quite clear in the vostok cores.</p>
<p>and there is considerable reason to doubt the baseline CO2 levels apparent in vostok as the ice coers may not be a closed system.  the pressure, freezing process, and variable permeabilities of gases may be an artifact of the system and not the atmosphere.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/" rel="nofollow">http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/</a></p>
<p>the long stable co2 levels shown in ice cores are contradicted by numerous direct measurements and proxies (stomatal frequency etc).  CO2 may have been quite variable over time, even recent time.</p>
<p>Chemical analysis of 90,000 direct measurements (as opposed to proxies such as ice or fossils)  performed according to well understood measurement methods by nobel prize (not the peace prize) winning scientists and published  in 175 technical papers has led to a chart that looks more like this.  (complied by Ernst-Georg Beck 2006a, 2006b, 2007) Odd that a time such as 1820, when it was dramatically colder than now should have higher CO2 levels than currently prevail.  This further throws into question the legitimacy of CO2 as the primary climate driver.  Also odd is that the IPCC would reject such direct measures in favor of ice core proxies.  Of interest, the average across this period is 335ppm</p>
<p><a href="http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_Co2_Chemical_Methods.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_Co2_Chemical_Methods.pdf</a></p>
<p>see pages 4 and 5 for good charts.</p>
<p>given your skepticism of the &#8220;all climate change is caused by the greenhouse&#8221; argument i am surprised you are accepting the &#8220;all the CO2 rise is from man&#8221; argument.  i&#8217;m interested to hear why you have done so.</p>
<p>thanks and keep up the interesting work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/11/silly-climate-s.html/comment-page-1#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I peruse the Google Blog search+global warming every day.  Today I&#039;ve seen three skeptic sites (yours included) that received this hoax and promptly dismissed it.  Now I find some obscure blogger trumpeting how the skeptics were fooled by this hoax...&lt;br /&gt;
http://steveshickles.name/climate-skeptics-duped-by-death-of-global-warming-spoof/&lt;br /&gt;
Hence we can see a motive for it&#039;s creation.  Bait for us foolish skeptics.  Remember, the alarmists believe we are all mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping cavemen because we don&#039;t toe the line.  Weak effort but typical.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I peruse the Google Blog search+global warming every day.  Today I&#8217;ve seen three skeptic sites (yours included) that received this hoax and promptly dismissed it.  Now I find some obscure blogger trumpeting how the skeptics were fooled by this hoax&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://steveshickles.name/climate-skeptics-duped-by-death-of-global-warming-spoof/" rel="nofollow">http://steveshickles.name/climate-skeptics-duped-by-death-of-global-warming-spoof/</a><br />
Hence we can see a motive for it&#8217;s creation.  Bait for us foolish skeptics.  Remember, the alarmists believe we are all mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, bible-thumping cavemen because we don&#8217;t toe the line.  Weak effort but typical.</p>
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		<title>By: Waired</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/11/silly-climate-s.html/comment-page-1#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Waired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its seems you are right, even the web site itself is odd not only the study, there is only link to the current issue and does not mention the older ones at all. Also digging further we see that it has just been recently created:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Domain Name:GEOCLIMATICSTUDIES.INFO&lt;br /&gt;
Created On:02-Nov-2007 14:50:19 UTC&lt;br /&gt;
Expiration Date:02-Nov-2008 14:50:19 UTC&lt;br /&gt;
Registrant Name:Hiroko Takebe&lt;br /&gt;
Registrant Organization:Dr Hiroko Takebe&lt;br /&gt;
Registrant Street1:Climatological Department, Okinawa University&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It also seem to be administered by a totaly different person which is in the UK: (these is the same data for the billing of the website)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Admin Name:David Thorpe&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Organization:David Thorpe&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Street1:Cyberium&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Street2:&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Street3:&lt;br /&gt;
Admin City:Machynlleth&lt;br /&gt;
Admin State/Province:Powys&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Postal Code:SY209HA&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Country:GB&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Phone:+44.1654761590&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Phone Ext.:&lt;br /&gt;
Admin FAX:&lt;br /&gt;
Admin FAX Ext.:&lt;br /&gt;
Admin Email:david@cyberium.co.uk&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a little digging about him leds us to his blog at (http://sympathyftm.blogspot.com/)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And check what his blog says about him:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David T &lt;br /&gt;
Location: Machynlleth, Powys, United Kingdom &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;David is a prize-winning novelist and environmental journalist. His book series Hybrids - for teens and young adults - is published by HarperCollins. He is also a designer and runs his own company, Cyberium. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you look the name, place, country and email of the admin of the site, they coincide quite well with this guy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Going back to the web site, there is a link to the editorial of that issue which states:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;In any other field a revelation of this importance would be greeted with tremendous interest by scientific colleagues. If corroborated by further investigation it is likely to have been rewarded with the highest scientific honours: it is no exaggeration to state that this is Nobel Prize material. Instead, attempts to publish this paper have been met with fear, hostility and a closing of ranks. Before approaching this journal, Daniel Klein and colleagues sent their paper to 43 peer-reviewed learned publications. All 43 rejected it. In no case could they provide a scientific justification for their decision. The editor of one very eminent journal told Klein and his colleagues that they were &quot;criminally irresponsible&quot; in seeking to have this material published.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Probably hopping that someone will pick up this info and say that nobody wanted to publish it because its a conspiracy or something along the lines.  Also the other articles listed (but not linked) seem way to odd to be realistic. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its seems you are right, even the web site itself is odd not only the study, there is only link to the current issue and does not mention the older ones at all. Also digging further we see that it has just been recently created:</p>
<p>Domain Name:GEOCLIMATICSTUDIES.INFO<br />
Created On:02-Nov-2007 14:50:19 UTC<br />
Expiration Date:02-Nov-2008 14:50:19 UTC<br />
Registrant Name:Hiroko Takebe<br />
Registrant Organization:Dr Hiroko Takebe<br />
Registrant Street1:Climatological Department, Okinawa University</p>
<p>It also seem to be administered by a totaly different person which is in the UK: (these is the same data for the billing of the website)</p>
<p>Admin Name:David Thorpe<br />
Admin Organization:David Thorpe<br />
Admin Street1:Cyberium<br />
Admin Street2:<br />
Admin Street3:<br />
Admin City:Machynlleth<br />
Admin State/Province:Powys<br />
Admin Postal Code:SY209HA<br />
Admin Country:GB<br />
Admin Phone:+44.1654761590<br />
Admin Phone Ext.:<br />
Admin FAX:<br />
Admin FAX Ext.:<br />
Admin Email:david@cyberium.co.uk</p>
<p>a little digging about him leds us to his blog at (<a href="http://sympathyftm.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://sympathyftm.blogspot.com/</a>)</p>
<p>And check what his blog says about him:</p>
<p>David T <br />
Location: Machynlleth, Powys, United Kingdom </p>
<p>David is a prize-winning novelist and environmental journalist. His book series Hybrids &#8211; for teens and young adults &#8211; is published by HarperCollins. He is also a designer and runs his own company, Cyberium. </p>
<p>If you look the name, place, country and email of the admin of the site, they coincide quite well with this guy.</p>
<p>Going back to the web site, there is a link to the editorial of that issue which states:</p>
<p>&#8220;In any other field a revelation of this importance would be greeted with tremendous interest by scientific colleagues. If corroborated by further investigation it is likely to have been rewarded with the highest scientific honours: it is no exaggeration to state that this is Nobel Prize material. Instead, attempts to publish this paper have been met with fear, hostility and a closing of ranks. Before approaching this journal, Daniel Klein and colleagues sent their paper to 43 peer-reviewed learned publications. All 43 rejected it. In no case could they provide a scientific justification for their decision. The editor of one very eminent journal told Klein and his colleagues that they were &#8220;criminally irresponsible&#8221; in seeking to have this material published.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably hopping that someone will pick up this info and say that nobody wanted to publish it because its a conspiracy or something along the lines.  Also the other articles listed (but not linked) seem way to odd to be realistic. </p>
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