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		<title>By: markm</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/10/climate-exagger.html/comment-page-1#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>markm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;gmee: This was the movie with the 20-foot sea level rise, right? As compared to 20 &lt;i&gt;inches&lt;/i&gt; predicted by the IPCC, who are themselves global warming advocates but also somewhat of scientists. So, what do you think?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gmee: This was the movie with the 20-foot sea level rise, right? As compared to 20 <i>inches</i> predicted by the IPCC, who are themselves global warming advocates but also somewhat of scientists. So, what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: gmee</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/10/climate-exagger.html/comment-page-1#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>gmee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A little known fellow, name of Al Gore, some kind of politician, I think, who made some movie...  had this to say about said movie: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;...unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don&#039;t think there&#039;s a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s the link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What does an &quot;over-representation of factual presentations&quot; mean? Is he simply wanting more presentations? Or is he exaggerating the problem in the hopes of gaining supporters? &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little known fellow, name of Al Gore, some kind of politician, I think, who made some movie&#8230;  had this to say about said movie: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;unfortunately we still live in a bubble of unreality. And the Category 5 denial is an enormous obstacle to any discussion of solutions. Nobody is interested in solutions if they don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s the link</a></p>
<p>What does an &#8220;over-representation of factual presentations&#8221; mean? Is he simply wanting more presentations? Or is he exaggerating the problem in the hopes of gaining supporters? </p>
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		<title>By: markm</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;do they really have to outright exaggerate?&quot; Yes. Otherwise people won&#039;t vote for their socialist or just plain human-hating programs in hysterical fear.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;do they really have to outright exaggerate?&#8221; Yes. Otherwise people won&#8217;t vote for their socialist or just plain human-hating programs in hysterical fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mesa Econoguy</title>
		<link>http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/10/climate-exagger.html/comment-page-1#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Mesa Econoguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And the whole IPCC “consensus” is a joke.  Using your links, I came across an article by Dr. Vincent Gray, who sits on the IPCC Expert Reviewers Panel, calling for the abolition of the IPCC:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;”Over the years, as I have learned more about the data and procedures of the IPCC I have found increasing opposition by them to providing explanations, until I have been forced to the conclusion that for significant parts of the work of the IPCC, the data collection and scientific methods employed are unsound. Resistance to all efforts to try and discuss or rectify these problems has convinced me that normal scientific procedures are not only rejected by the IPCC, but that this practice is endemic, and was part of the organisation from the very beginning. I therefore consider that the IPCC is fundamentally corrupt. The only &quot;reform&quot; I could envisage, would be its abolition. “&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?&lt;br /&gt;
option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=155&amp;Itemid=1&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Consensus:&lt;br /&gt;
“Achieving consensus requires serious treatment of every group member&#039;s considered opinion. Once a decision is made it is important to trust in members&#039; discretion in follow-up action. In the ideal case, those who wish to take up some action want to hear those who oppose it, because they count on the fact that the ensuing debate will improve the consensus. In theory, action without resolution of considered opposition will be rare and done with attention to minimize damage to relationships.”&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is obviously not the case with global warming “science.”&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the whole IPCC “consensus” is a joke.  Using your links, I came across an article by Dr. Vincent Gray, who sits on the IPCC Expert Reviewers Panel, calling for the abolition of the IPCC:</p>
<p>”Over the years, as I have learned more about the data and procedures of the IPCC I have found increasing opposition by them to providing explanations, until I have been forced to the conclusion that for significant parts of the work of the IPCC, the data collection and scientific methods employed are unsound. Resistance to all efforts to try and discuss or rectify these problems has convinced me that normal scientific procedures are not only rejected by the IPCC, but that this practice is endemic, and was part of the organisation from the very beginning. I therefore consider that the IPCC is fundamentally corrupt. The only &#8220;reform&#8221; I could envisage, would be its abolition. “</p>
<p><a href="http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?" rel="nofollow">http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?</a><br />
option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=155&#038;Itemid=1</p>
<p>Consensus:<br />
“Achieving consensus requires serious treatment of every group member&#8217;s considered opinion. Once a decision is made it is important to trust in members&#8217; discretion in follow-up action. In the ideal case, those who wish to take up some action want to hear those who oppose it, because they count on the fact that the ensuing debate will improve the consensus. In theory, action without resolution of considered opposition will be rare and done with attention to minimize damage to relationships.”</p>
<p>This is obviously not the case with global warming “science.”</p>
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